paper sharpening wheels are easy to use, even for beginners.

Josh K said:
Seems like you have a few friends Richard. :D Maybe they're jealous they don't have a set?
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or wheels. :D i'm in the process of taking some of my knives to be sharpened by richard j soon. talking to him on the phone,i learned a lot more about sharpening then i known before. :)
 
ì dont think the paper wheels are over kill, or a waste of space, if you have a 2x2 foot square anywhere close to a outlett, and a small stand, thats all the room you need.

as for price depending on the motor, bench grinder, buffer,ect you purchase, plus the wheels its about as much as a sharpmaker, only it reprofiles too. if you learned how too sharpen on a stone, then there is no way you could mess up too bad...

and richard has been sharpening probably longer than some of us have been alive, so i would think he knows what hes talking about.
 
I spoke to Richard on the phone after reading his original post and found out he lives about 50 min. from me. I made the drive and he showed me in a few minutes how to use the wheels before giving me a go. They work great and they are fast and easy. I bought my own set of wheels and a cheap bench buffer from harbor freight for less than my edgepro cost even before i upgraded to diamond stones. I have not touched my edgepro since using the paper wheels and the edgepro is collecting dust. I dont evnvision using it again unless the power is out and I need to sharpen. It is slow and cumbersome in comparison to the wheels not to mention more expensive. Except for convexing they are all I use. I recently used them to sharpen my traditional broadheads and after test shaving with them didnt realize I was cut until I had blood running down my leg. I am not a great sharpener but they have allowed me to get durable edges sharper than the razors I shave with. The wheels are the sh%$.
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I don't think anyone is questioning Richard's skill as a knife sharpener, nor the effectiveness of paper wheels to get a good edge. Richard has an excellent reputation for the work he does as a professional sharpener.

As a professional, he uses his paper wheels every day. As a professional he sharpens several knives every day. I think that if you need to sharpen several knives every day, a powered system such as paper wheels are definitely the way to go.

Not everyone has that need. Powered systems are not for everyone. To insist they are is like insisting that everyone needs a race car to drive to the corner 7-Eleven. Nice to have, but not needed. And if you only have a learner's permit, that race car might just get you in trouble. Something a little slower might be a better idea. It all depends on individual need.

Stitchawl
 
stitchawl said:
I don't think anyone is questioning Richard's skill as a knife sharpener, nor the effectiveness of paper wheels to get a good edge. Richard has an excellent reputation for the work he does as a professional sharpener.

As a professional, he uses his paper wheels every day. As a professional he sharpens several knives every day. I think that if you need to sharpen several knives every day, a powered system such as paper wheels are definitely the way to go.

Not everyone has that need. Powered systems are not for everyone. To insist they are is like insisting that everyone needs a race car to drive to the corner 7-Eleven. Nice to have, but not needed. And if you only have a learner's permit, that race car might just get you in trouble. Something a little slower might be a better idea. It all depends on individual need.

Stitchawl
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We've heard people say that they picked up working on paper wheels in minutes. The race car comparison is not correct.

I agree that powered systems are not for everyone, and no one is insisting that they are.

I doubt there is a "learner permit" when sharpening. ;)
 
jack lowe said:
or wheels. :D i'm in the process of taking some of my knives to be sharpened by richard j soon. talking to him on the phone,i learned a lot more about sharpening then i known before. :)
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You won't be disappointed, well unless you're REALLY attached to the hair on your arms...then I suppose it's probably not a good idea. Still waiting on mine to grow back.

I sent a knife to richard J and he sharpened it with his paper wheels, it was a UT-6 microtech. I have a UT-X85 I gifted brand new to my brother. Richards edge was just as good as the factory edge if not better and he probably sharpened it in minutes not hours, no wonder people are hating.....

I don't know why people intentionally troll Richard and knock paper wheels.... they probably either A. don't own a set. B. Never even tried wheels Or C. just tried and failed..these must be the same people that think "SEBENZA!" and " EDGE PRO APEX!" are not said often enough and are legitimate posts.

I know from this I'd rather send my knives to someone mature and not someone looking to bash people out of jealousy.

I thought a great deal of the users were better than this....disappointing.
 
Josh K said:
I doubt there is a "learner permit" when sharpening. ;)
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Sure there is...It's called using your head and practicing on old or cheap knives until you get the hang of it and understand what you're doing BEFORE you sharpen your good knives, ruin them, have to send them back to the factory for a new edge and complain about how its the fault of the tools or anyone elses fault but your own.

Richard J is good people and aside from truly knowing what he's talking about, is willing to freely teach anyone whom is ready and able to listen.
 
I've spent a ton of money on stuff to sharpen knives. Guided systems, all kinds and varieties of stones, a belt sander (with all the obligatory belt stock) and the paper wheels. It took about 15 minutes and three Old Hickory kitchen knives to get the hang of the wheels. I now have dust-covered boxes full of guided systems and their pieces parts. Most of my stones sit in a box. They are good for a mental sharpening; a bottle of Jack or a jar of homemade, a shot glass and a set of stones. It becomes a zen-like thing. But the belt sander repairs/reprofiles any knife that needs it (or for convexing), and the compound-loaded wheel is used when needed for touch ups. I hardly ever use the grit side of the wheels.

2brothers said:
The wheels have worked out really well for me. I never noticed them until Richard mentioned the system in a sharpening thread. Thanks Richard.
I watched a demonstration video online, tried it myself and had razor sharp edges in minutes.
I even bought an extra wheel and trimmed it down a bit for recurved blades. Too easy.

Heiheit, your Military looks better with the recurve in it. :)
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I agree. Radius the outer 1/4 inch of the edge on each wheel and you're wheeling you way to eye bleeding sharpness on any recurve. Could have put a killer edge on that recurved Millie! :p
 
Bill86 said:
I don't know why people intentionally troll Richard and knock paper wheels....
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I haven't seen anyone trolling Richard nor knocking paper wheels. Everyone acknowledges the fact that;
A. Richard is a skilled professional sharpener
B. Paper wheels are very efficient and effective for sharpening.

What IS being said is that not everyone has the need for paper wheel sharpening. "Need." No one is putting down Richard's skill or the ability of paper wheels to get a sharp edge.

I, for one, don't need nor want a powered system. I only sharpen a few knives a year, and find that I make better use of a combination of Sharpmaker, DMT Aligner, and EdgePro 'for MY sharpening needs.' I'd hate to try to put a powered system into my backpack for two weeks along the Appalachian Trail. I wouldn't even want to put stones in that pack. I also find that the Sharpmaker on my kitchen shelf works just as well as I need it to for my weekly touch-ups of my kitchen knives, and takes up a lot less room than any powered system. Paper wheels would not be the ideal set-up for me.

My methods work for me. Perhaps they wouldn't work for you.

I know from this I'd rather send my knives to someone mature
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I'd rather do my own knives. But feel free to send yours out if you need to. I certainly wouldn't think of telling you what to do.

and not someone looking to bash people out of jealousy.
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I've looked back though this thread and I can't seem to find anyone 'bashing' anyone! I've seen many people saying that powered systems aren't suitable for their needs. I've seen people telling others that they should be using power wheels. I've seen people saying paper wheels work for them and others saying paper wheels don't work for them. Everyone has different needs and opinions. But I do NOT find anyone bashing people, nor insulting a professional's skill or ability.

Everyone has different needs and wants. This doesn't constitute 'bashing.'

Stitchawl
 
stitchawl, thats like compareing swiming with sky diving...



"Not everyone has that need. Powered systems are not for everyone. To insist they are is like insisting that everyone needs a race car to drive to the corner 7-Eleven. Nice to have, but not needed. And if you only have a learner's permit, that race car might just get you in trouble. Something a little slower might be a better idea. It all depends on individual need."
 
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I finally bit the bullet and ordered the deluxe paper wheels set from Woodcraft.com minutes ago. I'm so stoked it's like I had 5 canteen cups of espresso in 1 minute. That's good though, right? :D
 
Spam is a bannable offense. So it would appear that many here, including BFC Mods disagree with that assessment.
 
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Ive been using the paper wheels for 6 months now, and there is no reason for me to use anything else unless I am not at home.

It amazes me that there are so many people out there can dismiss a certain sharpening method just because they are too hamfisted to make it work.

If you can wipe your own butt, you can learn to use paper wheels.
 
Heiheit said:
"Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in an attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to receive it."
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Show me where this is "flooded on the internet" or where Richard is doing so in "an attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to receive it?"

This is a public forum. Richard is not forcing people to click the thread and read.
 
stitchawl said:
The logic is in your statement. It's the word knife 'makers.' Most people here are NOT knife makers. (Or, if they are handy, they might make 1-2 knives a year.) As I said in my original post to this thread, if you are a professional, if you have a dedicated workshop and space for a bench grinder, or if you sharpen 5-10+ knives every day, the paper wheels are a very good tool to use.

If you have a couple of pocket knives that need to get sharpened every few months, or if you live in an apartment with limited space, or you have no experience sharpening, there are much better options for you choice of sharpening methods. Paper wheels are not for everyone.

Stitchawl
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Hi Stitchawl,

I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I was some sort of skilled knife maker. I'm just referring to the fact that folks that go through high volume of sharpening must neccessarily rely on quick and foolproof ways to meet the demand. They rely on power tools and I see the advantages these tools offer anyone.

As an average hobbyist, I'm making the point that the paper wheels worked very well. It allows the average person to benefit from the same sort of advantages normally reserved for the professionals in a cost effective package. It does not come with large expenses nor require large amount of space.

I completely understand that this is not a universal solution, fit for everyone. But at least in this forum, many folks have already invested money and personal space for a common hobby. The step up to a powered bench grinder and a pair of wheels isn't all that much more.

I'm just as guilty of "giving unsolicited recommendations regarding the paper wheels" to new users and even long time enthusiasts when they ask for sharpening advice. :D I don't think we're trying to force anything down some one's throat. We're just tying to make folks aware of a choice they most likely are not aware. I honestly don't see a problem with that.

I would argue that vast majority of us are always looking for something new and different and appreciate learning about others' experiences and their expertise. Just because the longstanding members have read about a certain technique 50 different times doesn't mean the information is any less valuable and pertinent to a new member.

Sorry about another long winded post. :rolleyes: I need to learn to be more efficient with my words.
 
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