thanks tom for that post. electric for example wasted $500. on stuff he will no longer use but maybe he can find someone who can. i have a belt sander that i use for convexing blades. yesterday i convexed a battle rat, a game warden and an md caldwell, all on a 380 grit belt. i finished them off on the slotted wheel and last night when i was taking a picture to send heiheit, the warden bit me on my thumb when i bumped the edge. i didnt have to go through a bunch of grits to get a shaving sharp edge.