para 2?

vadeed said:
I have yet to hear of a benchmade axis lock failing, correct me if I am wrong?
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All mechanisms will fail at some point. If you don't get the knife fixed after one omega spring breaks, and wait until the other breaks, the axis lock will "fail". I put fail in quotes because even then you could jam it locked by putting anything you want behind the axis pin (it's not like there's any force pushing the lock pin back, so even wadded up paper would keep it locked).

Every lock can fail, though. Liner locks, frame locks, you name it.
 
Like everyone else said, it's a personal thing. I have a PM2 & for me it's not my "if I could only have one knife". Right now I think it is overhyped just like many things, once it's reached most of the masses there will be another latest & best ever out there. For $130, it not too bad as before frenzy they were just over $100. You will have no trouble getting most of your money back if it's not for you. Wish I would have started higher up in the food chain from the get go (would be less of financial loss in the long run), I have too many low end non-users that would like to get rid of, but no takers.
 
440C steel is definitely no slouch. Just because people call it 'inferior' or whatever doesn't mean it's not good stuff. It's not the best there is, neither is S30V, yet they both work great.

Yes, the axis lock probably has a greater chance of wearing out or running into problems than the Compression lock. It's a much more finnicky lock that relies on two springs that are each thinner than a paperclip to function, whereas the compression lock has the simplicity of a liner or framelock, but with much greater strength than either. I've personally run into three broken omega springs. That said, it's not a certainty - not every axis lock is going to have problems like that, and there are tons of people who have never encountered that problem. It's not to say that the Axis lock sucks and the Compression lock is great, I'm just pointing out the differences. Both locks will probably work just fine. :thumbup:
 
Dorito Monk said:
440C steel is definitely no slouch. Just because people call it 'inferior' or whatever doesn't mean it's not good stuff. It's not the best there is, neither is S30V, yet they both work great.

Yes, the axis lock probably has a greater chance of wearing out or running into problems than the Compression lock. It's a much more finnicky lock that relies on two springs that are each thinner than a paperclip to function, whereas the compression lock has the simplicity of a liner or framelock, but with much greater strength than either. I've personally run into three broken omega springs. That said, it's not a certainty - not every axis lock is going to have problems like that, and there are tons of people who have never encountered that problem. It's not to say that the Axis lock sucks and the Compression lock is great, I'm just pointing out the differences. Both locks will probably work just fine. :thumbup:
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so lets say that the spring does break, would benchmade fix it for me?
 
White. said:
so lets say that the spring does break, would benchmade fix it for me?
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Yes, though some complain that you have to send the knife in to have it done (last I heard, they won't just send you a replacement spring).
 
I bought into the PM2 madness and dropped $170 on a digicam/black version.

There are many different philosophies when it comes to paying for stuff. Some people view knives as some sort of investment, others, like me, view them as tools. I wanted one, and the going rate to have it at my door was $170. The knife will not be resold, and will probably meet its end in my hands.

If you can get a PM2 for that little, do it. If you hate it, some shmuck like me will snap it up for more than you paid and put it to use.
 
evilgreg said:
Yes, though some complain that you have to send the knife in to have it done (last I heard, they won't just send you a replacement spring).
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sending a knife in would just be an excuse to look for a new edc to have while it was away rofl. Lately i been carrying this byrd cara cara 2 that i got for cheaps. I was considering getting an endura 4 but is there enough of a difference to even bother? i just been carrying it around as a cut whatever knife and not to worry about it.
 
Cypress said:
I bought into the PM2 madness and dropped $170 on a digicam/black version.

There are many different philosophies when it comes to paying for stuff. Some people view knives as some sort of investment, others, like me, view them as tools. I wanted one, and the going rate to have it at my door was $170. The knife will not be resold, and will probably meet its end in my hands.

If you can get a PM2 for that little, do it. If you hate it, some shmuck like me will snap it up for more than you paid and put it to use.
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I feel like it might be a better jester to just let the folks on here know where i found 4 para 2 in stock at for 13-140. Since i dont think im going to go with that.
 
White. said:
I feel like it might be a better jester to just let the folks on here know where i found 4 para 2 in stock at for 13-140. Since i dont think im going to go with that.
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That would be deal spotting and would be frowned upon here. :(




Big Mike
 
Big Mike said:
It's a real personal thing.

It's a great knife, no doubt.

But if it doesn't call to you, find a knife that does.




Big Mike
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^^^^ This. Perfectly stated.

In my personal opinion the PM2 is a nice knife. I don't see it as the Super Knife that some do, and that really comes down to personal preference. If, as Big Mike soundly suggests, the PM2 calls to you then buy it and if it does not, then buy something that you prefer more. I prefer my Manix 2 to the PM2 so I own 3 different models and just the one PM2.
 
SaintlyBrees said:
^^^^ This. Perfectly stated.

In my personal opinion the PM2 is a nice knife. I don't see it as the Super Knife that some do, and that really comes down to personal preference. If, as Big Mike soundly suggests, the PM2 calls to you then buy it and if it does not, then buy something that you prefer more. I prefer my Manix 2 to the PM2 so I own 3 different models and just the one PM2.
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Great advice quoting great advice. It's a great knife, but there are lots of great knives, and not all great knives are going to be great for all people. I really like the PM2, but I'd encourage you to follow your gut and swim against the stream. :)
 
Bigfatts said:
There are hordes of PM2 cultists on this forum. Personally I think it is way over hyped. It's a good knife, sure, but it is not the end-all be-all knife it's often touted to be. There are several knives I would buy before a PM2 but if you like it, $130 is a small sum in the scheme of things and if you decide you don't like it you can get what you paid for it.
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Exactly!
 
Bigfatts said:
There are hordes of PM2 cultists on this forum. Personally I think it is way over hyped. It's a good knife, sure, but it is not the end-all be-all knife it's often touted to be. There are several knives I would buy before a PM2 but if you like it, $130 is a small sum in the scheme of things and if you decide you don't like it you can get what you paid for it.
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I somewhat agree with you but I can see both sides of the argument.

I read the hype so I finally bought a couple of them for myself. I think it is a pretty good knife and it is refined beyond its simple description on paper. I thought I would buy a Manix2 to carry and then sell my Para2's. The Manix2 came in today and while it is a great knife it just doesn't feel quite as special to me as the Para2 does, unfortunately. I know that some people really like the Manix2 but it won't be replacing my Para2. If it was lighter, and tip-down, it might. Since I am not a rabid fan of the Para2, I think it is worth $130, but I personally wouldn't pay more than that for the standard model. I did pay more than that for my blue sprint.

I have lots of experience with linerlocks and some experience with axis locks. I like the Para2 compression lock well enough but I wouldn't buy the knife just for that. In my opinion the knife is nice and light for EDC, it has a useful blade shape and a useful handle shape, it operates very smoothly, and the blade hole makes the knife the quickest and most positive to open of any of my manual knives and better than most of my assisted knives. There are knives in my EDC rotation that I like more than the PM2, but I can't say that any of them actually function any better.
 
The para 2 (digi camo satin blade) was my first <100$ knife. I loved it when I got it, but since then I have bought a few more knives and I always find myself going to my para 2 when Im outside doing work. I carry a Spyderco Techno when in public. The more I carry my Para 2, the more I love it. You will not be disappointed. They have a cult-like following and are so highly recomended for a reason.
 
I have a Para2. It's a good functional design, and the materials and build quality are great. That said, there are several knives (from Spyderco and others) I like more for my EDC uses. I've never handled a Presidio, but I do like Benchmade's Axis lock a lot. The Griptilian (551) and Mini-Griptilain (556) are about the same price as the Presido (522) and Mini-Presidio (527) and sport a 154CM blade. I have no experience with 440C, but I can say that Benchmade works wonders with their 154CM.
 
They're solid knives. I've had mine for 3 years or so now, and it has served me well in that time. However, it definitely isn't deserving of all the hype it gets on here and other forums.. the blade is too small for the handle in my opinion, every time I carry it I find myself wanting more blade due to the footprint it makes in my pocket. In addition to that, I find the detent varies between one PM2 to another; my PM2 has a somewhat weak, but good detent, whereas the two my brother owns both have very strong detents.

Those things aside though, the PM2 is a good knife. The compression lock it uses is one of my favorites, makes for quick closing. You also get a nice (albeit small) S30V blade, which slices very well due to the strong but slim blade thickness.

I say buy it and try it out if you managed to find one in stock. If it turns out you don't like it, you could easily turn around and sell it for what you paid for it and not be out a penny.
 
vadeed said:
I have yet to hear of a benchmade axis lock failing, correct me if I am wrong?
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I've never heard one of in good repair failing. There were a few gritillians that had some out of spec locks leave benchmade a few years ago but other than that and the once in a blue moon omega spring failure that lock will not fail outside of severe and unreasonable abuse.
 
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