para2 not as described

notsobrite,

LNIB should mean exactly that. To most, if not all of us, such a description means "almost new". Such terms don't get used nearly as much when not an everyday term, such as "LNIB" is. We 've all heard it and many of us have used it. So......it is well understood what LNIB means. It is a selling point/term used as are such descriptions as pristine, never used, safe queen, mechanics dream, fixer-upper....etc. used only to either generate more interest in an item and therefore justifying the asking price or to help the potential buyer to better understand the overall condition of a particular item for sale (be it in excellent condition or in need of repair and/or all stages in-between). The description of the knife in question and it's usage of "LNIB" obviously was intended to fit the former reasoning.

I don't think you jumped early or unjustifiably given that description, nor do I think you went after him with ill intent. Heck, you didn't even offer up his name until asked. I can't imagine why anyone would make any comment that might have made you feel like you had done something wrong. You obviously felt as such, given your response and you were totally right in doing so. You'll notice that you'll never get an "I'm sorry", even though that's obviously what should be offered to you. You will get a long explanation however, one that tries to explain away their misjudgement of your intent, but they will still never truly feel unjustified in their responses. Unfortunate, but it is much more the norm than not.

Great examples of useful and thoughtful posts in this thread came from "powernoodle" and "Allen R." Neither was "finger-pointing" nor intending to make you feel like you had made a poor decision. They just offered up some friendly and very sage advice and let it go at that. In doing so, you didn't feel it necessary to comment about their posts placing the blame on you 'cuz their intent wasn't to do so. They made helpful comments in a courteous way, an approach unfortunately and obviously not embraced by enough members here.

That you felt a bit attacked yourself........couldn't blame you. One would think that certain members just lurk here in hopes of doing just that. You were also right in your assumption and justified in saying so. Take a look at many of those " I'm not blaming you" members other posts.......same thing, over and over. Some seem to have just never quite gotten over being passed up being elected "hall monitor" during their formative years.

Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention initially and for doing it in such a positive and informative way. At the very least, such information helps all others to know what this particuar sellers idea of "LNIB' means.........which definitely doesn't fit what I believe to be that terms true meaning or definition.

It is great that the seller is stepping up and helping to mitigate this situation. It looks like everything will work out in the near future, I certainly hope so. However, this hopeful outcome doesn't make a very minority of the comments directed at you any more justifiable nor does it make the knife in the video look any more like a "LNIB" knife.

Good luck...........thanks again.
 
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Most of the time, I've traded or bought a knife here it's been exactly as represented. But, 3 times I did get knives that were lied about and the feedback of the people I dealt with were all in the higher numbers. I let it go all 3 times, but I'll never let it go again, as all 3 times the knives were blatantly just lied about and I feel I was wrong now to let it slide.
 
To me the knife should not have been listed as LNIB,for a knife to be LNIB it should look like a knife that has just been bought new.
Original sharp edge,no carry marks,no dirt or lint.The centering on that knife is bad even for a "production Knife".
If the seller is offering to take care of it so you have 65.00 shipped in it IMO that would be a great deal on that knife.The rust and dirt can be cleaned up quickly,the edge can be touched up (I have had a few Spydercos come new with a slightly rolled edge,a few passes on a crock stick will take care of that.As for the compression lock,from my experience that sticky lock is the nature of the beast.I have had some smoother than others but that lock just seems to have that feel to it.If you adjust the pivot some you may be able to correct some of the centering trouble but if it is just a user and it is not rubbing it may not be an issue.
 
update: i emailed the seller this morning and said that i'd keep the knife for his original offer of $25 refund or return it to him for a full refund plus shipping costs. when he lets me know that the issue is resolved i'll let everyone know.
 
He should not have described it as LNIB, and that was reason enough to start this thread. We need to know the people that do this.

You should not be able to tell the deference in a NIB, and a LNIB knife. Don't post a knife as LNIB unless it is.


Good that he has stepped up and offered a full refund, or the $25 back. The $25 back seems like a very fair offer.
Glad this one is going to work out for both of you.
 
I always try and describe a knife with every possible flaw and promise less even if that is going to cost me a couple of bucks off the sales price. I would rather a buyer be pleasantly surpised than disappointed. That being said I would always give a seller or trade partner the chance to make something right before going public.
 
Glad to see that this is hopefully going to work out for both seller and buyer. I would think though that although the seller certainly did not provide a very accurate description of the knife; the buyer (OP) should have given him a few days to respond - especially over the weekend. It's not like everyone out there comes to this site daily or even checks emails constantly over the weekend. It does make me mad though when people misdescribe items they are selling. Lockahrt_13 offers a good practice.
 
i just wanted to let everyone know that muchblade has fulfilled his part of the bargain. i'm sure this whole mess was a combination of misunderstandings, and i think anyone that has read this thread can learn from it what not to do. i know i have. thanks again tom.
 
Excellent. This is how bad transactions should be handled. Quickly, and to the satisfaction of both parties...

The seller made a big mistake imho, by advertsing the knife as LNIB, but quickly did what was right to make the buyer happy.
 
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