Paramilitary 2 up and down blade play

RemyKaze said:
I tightened my PM2 all the way down, and it still opens freely. I just don't see how you could be having this issue. I don't think the PM2 can be tightened down to the point where the liners/washers constrict the movement of the blade.
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That depends on the pivot bushing. From reports on the Spyderco forum (which I can't confirm because I only own one PM2), there seems to be a noticeable variance in their size; with some, if you tighten them all the way down, the blade won't move freely, and with some it will.
 
kreole said:
That depends on the pivot bushing. From reports on the Spyderco forum (which I can't confirm because I only own one PM2), there seems to be a noticeable variance in their size; with some, if you tighten them all the way down, the blade won't move freely, and with some it will.
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That's weird. They're pretty tight with tolerances and most everyone receives a perfectly working knife. I havent heard anything about that, but I don't think any knife has a perfect run. There will always be the few that slip through QC.

Anyway, I feel the guy's pain, but wouldn't it be better to just send it in than to somewhat bash Spyderco?
 
Jalenc2 said:
I'm sorry maybe I wasn't very clear. I broke it in for an entire day and keep in mind I have had a PM2 before. After the first day of constantly breaking it in it was no different from when I got it. I am also not new to knives, to my understanding I thought that the tuf-glide would help the knife and I loosened the pivot a bit and continued to break it in. It then developed blade play. If a knife cannot be adjusted without problems occurring then I would have a problem with it.
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It sounds like you jacked it up.
 
kreole said:
That depends on the pivot bushing. From reports on the Spyderco forum (which I can't confirm because I only own one PM2), there seems to be a noticeable variance in their size; with some, if you tighten them all the way down, the blade won't move freely, and with some it will.
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This has been true in my experience with the PM 2s I own/have owned. Also, I'm not sure the OP was saying he chipped the DLC himself. I thought he meant it came with a chip. In any case, Spyderco will fix you up. The PM 2 is one of the best folders out there IMO.
 
RemyKaze said:
That's weird. They're pretty tight with tolerances and most everyone receives a perfectly working knife. I havent heard anything about that, but I don't think any knife has a perfect run. There will always be the few that slip through QC.

Anyway, I feel the guy's pain, but wouldn't it be better to just send it in than to somewhat bash Spyderco?
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There are quite a few reports of them on both sides of the aisle. I don't think it's a matter of a few slipping through QC, though at least to some extent whether tightening it down all the way is too tight or too loose is going to depend on the owner's preference and not the actual setting, so maybe you're correct.
 
If I tighten the pivot on my para 2 it affects the how free the blade swings open.

To the OP, spyderco isn't different than any other company that produces knives and they aren't immune to some of them getting out of the factory with flaws. Doesn't matter how much the knife costs. Send it in, the coating can't be "patched" though.
 
The Mastiff said:
You took it out of the box and messed it up tinkering with it and now you want to blame someone else. Hmmm. You didn't give it time to break in before you messed around with it. If you have any pride, and honesty you would send it in to W&R with a check and ask them to fix what you messed up and charge you for it if necessary. Having a bit of integrity might help you in the long run in life. It will sure lessen the jams you get yourself in as well as make it easier to look in the mirror every day.

Sounds harsh huh? If nobody ever talked to you like this before maybe that's part of your problem.

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Joe
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What a tactless self-serving high-horse response. He got a pm2 that was shitty right out of the box and all he did was adjust the pivots. I've had two come the exact same way. You might want to examine your own integrity if this is how you're going to respond to people who encounter legitimate quality issues.
 
To OP-

I've had two PM2s that had awful centering and poor blade-play issues. In the end I used some nano oil around the washers and tried out a bunch of different pivot tightness combinations until it was centered when closed, can flip open easily, and only needs a bit of a wrist-jerk to close. It still has some side-to-side, but nothing extreme. Based upon other posters who say they've had perfect ones, I hypothesize that quality control took a hit in the past year or so when the supply wasn't able to meet demand. I'd just recommend getting it as close to perfect as you can with some good pivot oil and loctite and hours/days of frustration.
 
sunandsteel said:
Things happen, but when you pay $150 for knife, shouldn't it come close to perfect?
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You do realize that price is a very subjective thing? While $150 is a fortune to spend on a knife to 98% of the populati, it's not a lot to the other 2%. Many here are in that 2%. Do, define perfect? Then again, a lot is left unknown about the purchaser, are there actual flaws in the piece (maybe, maybe not)? I own over 20 Para knives, multiples of every onfiguration ever released , excpet maybe 2 of the firet gen versions. They are all smooth to open, they are allable to have both pivot screw tightened down 100% while still opening the knife.

Maybe there are some details left out by the OP. who knows. i'd say, send the knife to Spyderco according to their warranty page and see what happens from there.
 
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If there's a problem, send it back for an exchange. All this nonsense conjecture is pointless when the dealer will just exchange the defective product for another.
 
sticktodrum said:
If there's a problem, send it back for an exchange. All this nonsense conjecture is pointless when the dealer will just exchange the defective product for another.
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Why should the dealer have to deal with a knife that is not in new condition?

He messed with it, it's his. His issue is between him and Spyderco now.
 
Tripton said:
Why should the dealer have to deal with a knife that is not in new condition?

He messed with it, it's his. His issue is between him and Spyderco now.
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I have to agree, once its been goofed with it no longer is the problem of the sale website but between the customer and the manufacturer
 
I have to agree, once its been goofed with it no longer is the problem of the sale website but between the customer and the manufacturer
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That's correct. It actually voids the warranty too.
 
Ah, I didn't read that whole portion.

Well then... I don't know what to say as I'd never be in that particular situation. Seems like unnecessarily shooting oneself in the foot.
 
You adjusted the pivot.........WARRANTY VOIDED!!!!!
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Unfortunately a necessary step because so many people have bought new knives, tried making them better and messed them up. It's an every day occurrence just about judging by the complaints. Spyderco is certainly not the only company forced to take these measures.

We get people buying knives the first time in their lives and sure enough someone in the thread will be trying to tell them they need to adjust the pivot to make it function right. I see it way too often. No one typically tells the new guys that 1) It's not usually needed, and 2) it voids the warranty.

I'm one that tries to be helpful to people with legitimate complaints but when people break a knife, complain about it thinking if they make enough fuss Sal will get it taken care of for them, I tend to speak what's on my mind staying whithin the forums rules of course.

I'm all for getting everything you paid for though. If it's not right then there are ways to correct it. They don't begin with taking tools to the knife and.... I'm all for modding for personalization and I occasionally do it. If I mess something up though I'm sure not blaming it on someone else.
 
The Mastiff,

Adjusting the pivot voids the warranty now? So, if I have a pivot screw loosen up on a Spyderco, I should send the knife in to have it tightened back down?
 
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For petes sake

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The Mastiff said:
Unfortunately a necessary step because so many people have bought new knives, tried making them better and messed them up. It's an every day occurrence just about judging by the complaints. Spyderco is certainly not the only company forced to take these measures.

We get people buying knives the first time in their lives and sure enough someone in the thread will be trying to tell them they need to adjust the pivot to make it function right. I see it way too often. No one typically tells the new guys that 1) It's not usually needed, and 2) it voids the warranty.

I'm one that tries to be helpful to people with legitimate complaints but when people break a knife, complain about it thinking if they make enough fuss Sal will get it taken care of for them, I tend to speak what's on my mind staying whithin the forums rules of course.

I'm all for getting everything you paid for though. If it's not right then there are ways to correct it. They don't begin with taking tools to the knife and.... I'm all for modding for personalization and I occasionally do it. If I mess something up though I'm sure not blaming it on someone else.
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Look everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I totally respect that and I completely get your point of view. But I do have to say that I feel you're getting a bit heated about this and I don't want people arguing about this. All I did was ask for some advice to how to fix this. I don't personally feel I "messed this up" because I have gotten a para2 before that was nothing like this so I tried to fix it. You're making it seem very harsh by accusing me of unnecessarily messing with it and making it seem like I completely jacked up the knife when in reality, I only adjusted the pivots. And again, I would like a knife that can be serviceable by its owner and if a knife like this develops blade play from just a bit of adjusting to the pivots, then I personally consider that a problem. I would like to thank you though for your input and to everyone who is trying to help me.
 
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