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Patrol Bag Advice
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Just my 2 cents. In your original post you said that people were attracted to the sound of your generators. I am a firm believer in a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Have you thought about reducing the sound that your generators make? I would think that a noise supression box with foam lining would work. I'm not sure what your current building layout is but I am sure that anything that you can do to minimize the noise would prevent you from a possible situation where you have to protect yourself or your property.
Yes. There are a few things (tips, ideas) that I don't feel comfortable posting on an open forum regarding this situation, so I E-mailed them to you via BladeForums. If you didn't get it, let me know.
EDIT: It was a PM, and apparently didn't send. Trying again...
I would also try to cultivate a positive relationship with the local LEO's. This can be tricky goining in and saying "can you blokes advise me how to secure me house /shop or how do you recommend I carry mags for my M4" Probably won't help. In this country the Police normally will advise against any and all proactive measures.
Simple things like if your standing out the front of your business and a patrol car goes past give them a wave. If one is stuck out the front of your place securing a site accident or something. offer them a coffee/cold drink or use of the toilet ( have you ever seen the blokes on "Cops " use the John?) Be nice. Do police get a subtle discount at your business? That can make a difference in response times. It might not but would it hurt?
Carl
Simple things like if your standing out the front of your business and a patrol car goes past give them a wave. If one is stuck out the front of your place securing a site accident or something. offer them a coffee/cold drink or use of the toilet ( have you ever seen the blokes on "Cops " use the John?) Be nice. Do police get a subtle discount at your business? That can make a difference in response times. It might not but would it hurt?
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And I'm LEO with trigger time as well, so I know a thing or two about pepper, and the situations where it gets used/not used, the percentage of people that it does not effect, the issues with cross-contamination, etc... The point is that for the situations our OP is asking about, he's going to have his hands full already, probably have a minimum of training, if any, and the addition of that option is overloading. He's not LE or Mil, with backup. He has his hands full with a long gun, light, etc. Reactionary gap issues come into play as soon as the OP lowers his long arm to dig in a pocket for a can of OC. These are not Mil situations, and cannot be applied the same, just as they are not LE situations.
I have no doubt that many soldiers overseas may use a subload, but I'm postive that number is not most. Sidearm holsters being the exception, and even that use is gradually shifting to armor-mounted and back to belt mounted by the guys that know what they're doing. What type of unit/MOS were you? That also makes a difference as to how equipment is carried. I can tell you from experience with my rigs and PC's that there are reasons the BOK is carried on that rig, and not a subload. It is not carried so he can patch up the bad guy. It's carried so he can patch himself up, alone, and maybe with an arm not working that can actually reach said subload.
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Many officers are not the ones to even ask about these types on things, as the lack of mindsets and training with numerous agencies means they likely are not prepared as well.
There are also policies in effect at many agencies against discounts. Gratuities can mean issues later on, and some agencies prefer to just prohibit the practice entirely. Nothing prohibited about being nice to your local LE though...and it and your other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :thumbup:
I have taken numerous training courses, and have taken multiple courses at the US Training Center in Moyock. Carbine, shotgun, and handgun. So no I have no .mil or LEO experience, but I'm probably more effective with all 3 than many officers in my city.
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That's not saying much, I have found that a lot of LEO's can't shoot well, nor do they have the right mindset for carrying a gun, I wouldn't rely on them for much at all except taking a report when it's all said and done and prolly locking you up until it's all cleared. Unless you live here where you can submit the report online:jerkit: Nothing against you, I am sure you shoot great, I have just not had great experience with LEO's on the range.
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You really do have some valid points. I think on a couple things we'll just have to agree to disagree and move on from there. We both have the knowledge and experience within some these types of issues. Sorry if I came across as tyring to shoot your ideas down, that was not my plan. Talking about this type of situation brings about many different ideas and toughts on how the right way, is the right way. I think more than likely a little of everyones ideas might lead to the correct one. Thanks for your thoughts though, it does shine some light in from a different angle. Thanks!
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No offense taken, as I didn't see you coming across in that way. These are discussions, and as such involve differing opinions from various degrees of experience. There are A Ways, not The Ways. The day any of us stop learning is the day we're taking the dirt nap.
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Eberlestock Phantom FTW, if you are carrying a firearm the system can't be beat. Comfort, quality, bombproofness and organization are unparalleled in the business.
I keep fighting gear and other gear seperate. You never know when you will want to have your survival gear but not your fighting stuff. I'm also a big proponent of setting up "tiers" of gear. First tier is on your belt and in your pockets, stuff that you cannot be without. Second tier would be a vest or chest rig or shoulder bag filled with ammunition and a blow out kit. Third tier would be the backpack with survival stuff, more advanced first aid, shelter, food, etc.
I would personally set the 'pack up with bugout type stuff, everything you might need if, while defending the 'hood, you had to hide out for a few days or leave for whatever reason. Anytime things go badly, your "patrol bag" might become an INCH (I'm never coming home) bag.
The Falcon II is a great start for this because it starts small, but you can add on whatever you need. As far as pouches to add onto the bag, I keep a water bottle carrier on one side, and a medium Rollypolly dump pouch on the other. There is a 1L bottle in the carrier, and the dump pouch fits 3 500ml bottles of water perfectly. Once I burn through the water the pouch gets folded up, and I keep a collapsable bladder in the bag to fill later on if needed. Underneath the pack, I have a MOLLE bag like the one that I will link below. The straps thread perfectly through the MOLLE webbing on the bag, allowing quite a bit more storage space. In the bag I keep a spare set of clothing in a dry sack (I have the clothing in the detachable bag because I consider it a luxury that I could just detach and leave if I needed to, but I would be glad it was there if my house ever burned down and I had to grab my family, our bugout bags, and ditch wearing pajamas). Inside my bag I keep survival and first aid in the outside lower pocket, more immediate access stuff in the small upper outside pocket, shelter (8x10' tarp and rope) and hygene (deodorant, toothpicks, etc.) in the middle pocket, and food (emergency rations and MREs) in the main bag.
Here is the MOLLE bag that fits perfectly at the bottom of the pack, just for an idea:
http://www.lapolicegear.com/dimoambag.html
Others know a lot more about about carrying magazines and stuff, but I wouldn't want mine stuck on the outside of my pack where everyone can see them, besides them not being very accessable in the first place.
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I think you could do better on the bag for your money, to be perfectly honest. That bag's straps are incredibly thin, and I find it uncomfortable for carrying the amount of gear you're talking about. Once you start adding loaded magazines to the kit, weight starts becoming an issue real fast. Check out the issue MOLLE II. It's less than half the cost, full MOLLE get up, some cool modular compartments and MOLLE webbing everywhere. Plus it's external frame, so you can modify it to pack jerry cans of water and gas, stacked boxes of MREs, firewood, boxes of medical supplies, even people. People often overlook the versatility factor of an external frame, but some parachord and military nylon webbing will go a long way when combined with a decent external frame.
a little info would be nice. without knowing your state we can't even guess at your climate and weather conditions, weapons laws, if CCW is legal or not, etc.
while having a rifle is great, unless it comes to a major breakdown scenario carrying the rifle around may draw more attention than it's worth.
an EDC CCW would be much more practical... because you can have it on you in case it's needed and nobody is gonna know.
for a Gte Home Bag, a large Camelbak or other daypack sized backpack is a good choice. some people like a shoulder bag like a Sneaky Bag, Hawke Pack Rifle BOB or a Maxpedition Active Shooter bag for a quick to grab bag to support the rifle.
spare mags on the side of a backpack will be for backup only. they will be too slow to get to for immediate reload.
i'd suggest avoiding stuff that's too military looking i like mo simply because i like the gear to be able to pass a casual inspection without provoking more questions. granted... all that goes out the window when the hardwar is deployed, but i try to be "the gray man" and avoid camo packs, etc.
plain OD or tan/coyote is fine tho IMHO. i'm not a big fan of all black gear.
while having a rifle is great, unless it comes to a major breakdown scenario carrying the rifle around may draw more attention than it's worth.
an EDC CCW would be much more practical... because you can have it on you in case it's needed and nobody is gonna know.
for a Gte Home Bag, a large Camelbak or other daypack sized backpack is a good choice. some people like a shoulder bag like a Sneaky Bag, Hawke Pack Rifle BOB or a Maxpedition Active Shooter bag for a quick to grab bag to support the rifle.
spare mags on the side of a backpack will be for backup only. they will be too slow to get to for immediate reload.
i'd suggest avoiding stuff that's too military looking i like mo simply because i like the gear to be able to pass a casual inspection without provoking more questions. granted... all that goes out the window when the hardwar is deployed, but i try to be "the gray man" and avoid camo packs, etc.
plain OD or tan/coyote is fine tho IMHO. i'm not a big fan of all black gear.