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This has been covered numerous times. If you do a search you will find a lot of discussion on it.
I agree it shouldn't be allowed, but there are still plenty of people who will use this method of payment... Some of them end up here trying to figure out what they can do after they got screwed on a knife.
I agree it shouldn't be allowed, but there are still plenty of people who will use this method of payment... Some of them end up here trying to figure out what they can do after they got screwed on a knife.
Paypal makes it clear how their service is to be used, the difference between buying something and giving a cash gift are 2 very distinct things.
It falls on the buyer or customer to decide if they want to gamble. We cannot babysit adults in that manner. The forum rules have a clear stance on the subject. People have to use common sense and think for themselves at some point, if not deal with the consequences.
It falls on the buyer or customer to decide if they want to gamble. We cannot babysit adults in that manner. The forum rules have a clear stance on the subject. People have to use common sense and think for themselves at some point, if not deal with the consequences.
It is listed in the Exchange rules:
That said, it seems that a majority of the sellers on this site make "gift or __%" part of their terms; and THAT isn't addressed in the rules (at least not that I recall). They'd stop if buyers refused to accept it...but it seems many buyers are content to go along with it. I won't buy under those terms, even if it means losing out on a knife I want...and also I've returned numerous payments because they were sent as gifts. I've expressed my opinions on this matter before; but I do consider it a negative aspect of trying to participate on the Exchange. This is the only site on which I've participated that it is tolerated - regardless of whether it was the rulebook or the membership that drew the line against it.
(There's also the matter of people that that try to deny any responsibility for the item unless the buyer pays for insurance..but I guess that's a subject for another thread)
That said, it seems that a majority of the sellers on this site make "gift or __%" part of their terms; and THAT isn't addressed in the rules (at least not that I recall). They'd stop if buyers refused to accept it...but it seems many buyers are content to go along with it. I won't buy under those terms, even if it means losing out on a knife I want...and also I've returned numerous payments because they were sent as gifts. I've expressed my opinions on this matter before; but I do consider it a negative aspect of trying to participate on the Exchange. This is the only site on which I've participated that it is tolerated - regardless of whether it was the rulebook or the membership that drew the line against it.
(There's also the matter of people that that try to deny any responsibility for the item unless the buyer pays for insurance..but I guess that's a subject for another thread)
Never, EVER use paypal gift to purchase goods. EVER!
If you do, you deserve what you get.
"Gift or add 3%" and "net to me" and all the other ways to phrase it all mean the same thing. The seller wants a certain amount of money and doesn't want to eat the paypal fees. Makes sense to me. I'd want ALL my money too.
It just means the buyer has to pay a whopping three whole percent to protect themselves...
The last knife I bought was $500. 3% of that is 15 bucks... Is it worth 15 bucks to make sure a $500 deal doesn't go south, or that I can't get out from under it?
You bet your ass.
Never, EVER use paypal gift to pay for goods.
If you do, you deserve what you get.
"Gift or add 3%" and "net to me" and all the other ways to phrase it all mean the same thing. The seller wants a certain amount of money and doesn't want to eat the paypal fees. Makes sense to me. I'd want ALL my money too.
It just means the buyer has to pay a whopping three whole percent to protect themselves...
The last knife I bought was $500. 3% of that is 15 bucks... Is it worth 15 bucks to make sure a $500 deal doesn't go south, or that I can't get out from under it?
You bet your ass.
Never, EVER use paypal gift to pay for goods.
Why pay the fees for the seller? They're the ones getting the most benefit, in that they get instant payment and a broader range of buyers because they accept that payment method. I think, at this point, that most people know that it is a violation of the User Agreement to charge extra for using the service...and that includes asking for the fees to be paid by the buyer.
Moving past that point, a good portion of the sellers requesting the fees in that manner are actually asking for more than the amount they're charged. Why not, though, right?
Moving past that point, a good portion of the sellers requesting the fees in that manner are actually asking for more than the amount they're charged. Why not, though, right?
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Here are paypal's term of use: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#4
Paragraph 4.1 forbids asking for gift payments for goods and services. Paragraph 4.5 forbids charging anything extra to cover the paypal fee. The wording is very clear.
I have one price for all customers, the only difference depends on if the sale is one on which I have to collect sales tax. Note the word "collect", not "charge" in connection with sales tax.
As a seller, you have to consider the paypal fee to be part of your overhead just like the materials cost, etc.
I never even accept gift payments for goods through paypal, much less ask for them.
As a buyer, never pay for goods or services using the paypal gift option and be wary of any seller asking such payments.
Paragraph 4.1 forbids asking for gift payments for goods and services. Paragraph 4.5 forbids charging anything extra to cover the paypal fee. The wording is very clear.
I have one price for all customers, the only difference depends on if the sale is one on which I have to collect sales tax. Note the word "collect", not "charge" in connection with sales tax.
As a seller, you have to consider the paypal fee to be part of your overhead just like the materials cost, etc.
I never even accept gift payments for goods through paypal, much less ask for them.
As a buyer, never pay for goods or services using the paypal gift option and be wary of any seller asking such payments.
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Did Spark change his name to RGRAY?
There's no reason to descend to that level.
Frankly, your comment about the moderators was out of line. At present, there is no rule against sellers requesting payment in that way, so there is nothing for the moderators to address.
Again, FWIW (nothing, really), this is the only site I've encountered where this is deemed acceptable...but it is generally the membership itself that requires sellers that pull that crap to change. On the sites that I've used, sellers trying to request fees - or gift payments - are thought of very poorly. Their sales suffer until they change; or they simply move on to a different venue.
Congratulations for being "that guy" who has to beat off this dead horse every couple months, but you have the CHOICE to not deal with a seller who accepts gift just as the seller has the CHOICE to take the payment methods they want.
The forum does not need to go nanny state on this issue. Plenty of people have used F&F without problems, just use your common sense. And this is far from the only forum where members do this.
The forum does not need to go nanny state on this issue. Plenty of people have used F&F without problems, just use your common sense. And this is far from the only forum where members do this.
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If not openly inviting people to pay via friends and family, sellers sometimes just hint at it by listing the price as "$x net to me," something I find slightly obnoxious. You're the seller, take some responsibility and state how much the buyer is to pay through the legimitate method.
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