Paypal, the forums, ethics, and you.

Spark said:
Ok, it seems like the overwhelming response is to go ahead and use PP.

Like I said, I'm not fond of compromising my principles, but you overseas guys and lots of other customers have requested it... so barring any substatiative complaints, I believe we'll try it for a probationary period and see how it works.
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Great!

I'm ready to upgrade to Gold!
 
Spark said:
Ok, it seems like the overwhelming response is to go ahead and use PP.

Like I said, I'm not fond of compromising my principles, but you overseas guys and lots of other customers have requested it... so barring any substatiative complaints, I believe we'll try it for a probationary period and see how it works.
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Now I can easily pay from my Canadian bank account. Super easy. I will be Gold Member as soon as I can be. -Dave
 
I've used PayPal since it's inception and always use it where it's accepted. I'm aware of Ebays policies regarding firearms. Since I've used PayPal and Ebay to buy literally hundreds of knives, I have no idea what the policies regarding them may be that are so offensive. I'd really like to know what the problem is there.

There are also a couple of knife dealers that I buy from just because I can use PayPal and they seem happy to accept it. If PayPal has an "anti-weapon" policy, why would they allow all the Ebay knife sellers and others as customers?

As far as this forums membership fees, I have no problem with the current method (just used it) and really think it's up to management to decide.
 
Spark said:
Ok, it seems like the overwhelming response is to go ahead and use PP.

Like I said, I'm not fond of compromising my principles, but you overseas guys and lots of other customers have requested it... so barring any substatiative complaints, I believe we'll try it for a probationary period and see how it works.
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Spark, it is your decision only!
and i support you fully to not accept PP directly !
or to accept it directly or indirectly ..
((IF it works as well as they say with a PP debit card
you could post directions on how to do that !))
that option nulls much of the argument to do PP directly
but i am most concerned with the future of the forum..
horror story's normally have some basis in fact
that forum owners have had trouble is not surprising
this is what i consider a weapons friendly site]e!
a troll banded could cause trouble ..
if so then all of us suffer ... but esp you..
i urge you to keep the possibility of trouble with
PP and its policies on the upper level of your thoughts
is it a RISK you are willing to accept.
if so then do so
if not then dont let the masses change your mind
I will contune to suport theis forum and you regardless of what comes..
i do not envy your possition .. but know you have support either way!
 
It's a necessary evil in this cyberworld. I do wish that there were other options with similar ease of use.
 
Anti weapon? I wonder how many knives and swords are sold on Ebay and paid for through Paypal? Just wondering......

My local hardware store doesn't sell guns. Does this mean they are anti gun?

Just something to think about, folks....

P.S. The owner of that hardware store will shoot your ass, if you try to take his money :D
 
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Spark said:
Ok, it seems like the overwhelming response is to go ahead and use PP.

Like I said, I'm not fond of compromising my principles, but you overseas guys and lots of other customers have requested it... so barring any substatiative complaints, I believe we'll try it for a probationary period and see how it works.
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I recently turned gold... Always wanted to but due to the lack of PP facilities here it was just about impossible till a member bought it for me. I hope this will be a long term thing. I do not come from a country with a gun culture so I'm not as passionate when it comes to gun rights and such but I can see that there are many members here who are. Irregardless I feel it is a good change and there will be many more paying members here on BF. Thanks for thinking of you foreign members. I'm sure many of us appreciate it.

Azad
 
I have used PayPal as the only payment option on my website for years.

I have no love for PP or eBay, but PP is less painful than setting up a merchant account with a bank.

The only negative is that PP offers ZERO support and help for small vendors. The only response is, you need to upgrade to our more expensive service, if you want any service.

I'd been getting a lot of complaints from customers unable to complete transactions via PayPal, which made me suspect that even more were simply leaving, without complaining.

PayPal offered no help.

Just for drill, I downloaded the newest payment button HTML code, and compared it to what I'd had in place...

OH! It was totally different, all encrypted. The only wonder was that ANY of my transactions had been going through.

So... I replaced all the buttons, and business has increased noticeably.

But if I had waited for PayPal to help, I'd still be waiting, still be losing customers.

I contrast this to the fast helpful customer service of smaller companies such as LunarPages (my web host), Nisus (my Mac word processor), and Decimus (Synk backup for Mac), who actually fix problems without the ritual "first blame the user" drill of big companies, and even add features to their products if you ask them nicely.

BRL...
 
Dave Thinkstoomuch said:
It's all about walking-the-talk in this life. Talk is cheap. Talk online even cheaper. Cheers!
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So to you, posts are worthless and the internet is not real? Just like principles don't matter unless you use them for a publicity stunt. . .

We are in fact real people, and principles are personal rules of conduct, not a stage show.
 
Try using gun-related terms in the notes section of your Paypal payment. Something like "holster", "grips", "barrel", etc. Then, when they close your account, you will know. It's happened before.

Ebay doesn't allow the sale of most gun parts etc., anymore. Guess who owns Paypal? That's right, Ebay.

But, many of you still will not believe it until they actually burn YOU.
 
Since most sellers in the "For Sale" forums accept Paypal, I think you should accept Paypal payments for memberships.

Also, I do believe it is against Paypal rules to pass on the fees to your customers.
 
It is against Paypal's Terms Of Service to charge your buyers a fee to use Paypal.
 
Paypal's User Agreement:
4.6 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.
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Under User Agreement
 
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