People pay more attention to brands rather then materials and craftsmanship

[needler420]

OP shows no evidence for the claim. Prices are not determined by material inputs. Also, there has been adduced no evidence that people make their choices based on brand instead of something like aesthetics or perceived craftsmanship, nor any evidence that people aren't using the brand as a proxy for craftsmanship. To be credible, one would also have to rule out effects like "buy USA-made", or preferences for other features like locks, handle shapes, or blade profiles.

In short, this is either very shoddy thinking or a troll.

Considering two people in here already said cold steel should of thought about their marketing tactic on the demographics they cater to shows that people buy based on brands and marketing. Materials and craftsmanship went over their head with their only dismay being that it's "mall ninja gear" and that "first responder" gear is better just based on the demographics they cater too.

 

[Amoo]

What did each knife actually cost to produce though with American Labor and all the overhead costs Benchmade incurs for having a US based factory and repair facility vs what Cold Steel paid to have theirs produced by a 3rd party.

Not knocking either brand, but there is a cost associated with doing business in the US and it is CURRENTLY much higher then overseas. Especially when you are looking at paying skilled labor a fair/living wage, vs all the minimum wage examples people always like to bring up.

 

[Stays Sharp]

Actually: 440C > Aus8

OP had my inspired juices flowing till the steels mentioned.

 

[needler420]

What did each knife actually cost to produce though with American Labor and all the overhead costs Benchmade incurs for having a US based factory and repair facility vs what Cold Steel paid to have theirs produced by a 3rd party.

Not knocking either brand, but there is a cost associated with doing business in the US and it is CURRENTLY much higher then overseas. Especially when you are looking at paying skilled labor a fair/living wage, vs all the minimum wage examples people always like to bring up.

Country of manufacturing to me means little. That is a ignorant view point to me because wherever your from you want your country to produce the highest quality with the highest wages for employees.

This board knocks any types of clones even legal ones where patients expire simply because they don't want to support a certain countries manufacturing regardless of materials and craftsmanship. So they go around repping their USA made knife meanwhile their clothes, shoes, hat and 95% of items around your house,car boat are all China manufacturing.

If that is how you buy that is a perfect example to my point. You're buying on a political view point vs actual craftsmanship and materials used.

 

[needler420]

Actually: 440C > Aus8

OP had my inspired juices flowing till the steels mentioned.

I asked a knife making group on facebook which steel was better and the group has 55 thousand members many professional blacksmiths. Not one person said 440C over aus8. I took pics if you want to see the comments. Literally every person said aus8 was better out of about a dozen comments not one said 440c.

 

[Therom]

Material costs are only one part of the price.
Machining, labor costs and other internal processes contribute sometime even more to make the final price.
Depending of the organisation of the company and of the equipment it has at hand these costs can be higher for some company than for others.... some are just more efficient.

As the end if you are fine with the concept, the design, and the quality of the assembly maybe you can accept to pay an higher price even if more basic materials are used...

That is part of the game (and of the brand marketing ), unless one company price is increase only by unreasonnable profit margins there is not much to say about that... IMHO

If I have some doubts about the price policy of a company, or of one product of a company, I simply don't buy it.... again there is not much to say about it.

Every one can make up is own mind, but I am not sure there is any material to fuel a constructive discution/analysis on a forum.

 

[Amoo]

Country of manufacturing to me means little. That is a ignorant view point to me because wherever your from you want your country to produce the highest quality with the highest wages for employees.

This board knocks any types of clones even legal ones where patients expire simply because they don't want to support a certain countries manufacturing regardless of materials and craftsmanship. So they go around repping their USA made knife meanwhile their clothes, shoes, hat and 95% of items around your house,car boat are all China manufacturing.

If that is how you buy that is a perfect example to my point. You're buying on a political view point vs actual craftsmanship and materials used.

You're a moron. I made an argument of how country of manufacture and overhead associated with that plays a factor in a products final price and you went off on a totally different tangent. Do you have any idea at all what clothes I buy, what I drive, what I have around the house or any of my decisions to purchase anything? No you're just going off on another one of your million tangents showing your ass as usual. Really surprised you haven't been banned yet with all of your shit. Go pound sand man really.

 

[GermanyChris]

Here's is a $40 to me plastic handled AUS 8 knife made in Taiwan.

Next is a $75 plastic handled 440C knife made in the USA.

Following that is $75 plastic handled VG10 knife made in Japan.

Everyone of them is more valuable than the sum of their parts but only two of them do I have any faith in the warranty. If the Finn Wolf breaks it'll not be going back to CS it'll be going in the trash. If some how I need up the edge sharpening it it'll have to go to a sharpener and I'll get to pay to have them fix it that's not true of the Spyderco nor the Benchmade. The second you pick up the Endura or the 522 you know where the extra money went and that on top of the stellar warranty.

I know you're here to pee in Benchmade's Cheerios because you were unhappy with the way they reacted to you sending in your old man's bali but let's not get all hyperbolic, comment in the threads about Benchmade's warranty share your experience but please stop filling the front page trying to sucker punch Benchmade.

 

[Steely_Gunz]

I asked a knife making group on facebook which steel was better and the group has 55 thousand members many professional blacksmiths. Not one person said 440C over aus8. I took pics if you want to see the comments. Literally every person said aus8 was better out of about a dozen comments not one said 440c.

When I look for unbiased empirical evidence, FB is my go-to citation resource.

 

[needler420]

When I look for unbiased empirical evidence, FB is my go-to citation resource.

What is the difference between that facebook grouos and this forum? They both are dedicated to knives. The facebook group caters more to knife making. I'm not sure how many members are part of this site but that facebook groups has 55 thousand members.
I find it a bit contradicting to use the word biased in your statement. You make it sound like everything on facebook is wrong because it's on facebook. And that if it's on a forum it must be true.

 

[sfrigon1]

How about this , I choose certain brands because of their quality and craftsmanship ? Sound simple enough ,right ? Let's put this one to bed

 

[TRUE LIBERTY]

Country of manufacturing to me means little. That is a ignorant view point to me because wherever your from you want your country to produce the highest quality with the highest wages for employees.

This board knocks any types of clones even legal ones where patients expire simply because they don't want to support a certain countries manufacturing regardless of materials and craftsmanship. So they go around repping their USA made knife meanwhile their clothes, shoes, hat and 95% of items around your house,car boat are all China manufacturing.

If that is how you buy that is a perfect example to my point. You're buying on a political view point vs actual craftsmanship and materials used.

Well certain items you just can't get made in America and have to live with that. So than you can at least support a American company. But tools, furniture, cars, dishes, pots and pans, rugs, bedding and beds, which I have bought recently has all been American made costing me thousands more but glad I did it. Now if I could just find a American made work boot in size 13 double wide.

 

[sfrigon1]

323,272 members here , just so you know

 

[sfrigon1]

Well certain items you just can't get made in America and have to live with that. So than you can at least support a American company. But tools, furniture, cars, dishes, pots and pans, rugs, bedding and beds, which I have bought recently has all been American made costing me thousands more but glad I did it. Now if I could just find a American made work boot in size 13 double wide.

Go to your local Redwing dealer 👍

 

[Amoo]

Go to your local Redwing dealer 👍

Had two pair myself over the coarse of a few years of hard use working in a steel mill. They held up really well. I only wore a single wide though so you might need to custom order a double wide?

 

[TRUE LIBERTY]

Go to your local Redwing dealer 👍

Redwing is American made? Sonofagun! Thanks!

 

[needler420]

Well certain items you just can't get made in America and have to live with that. So than you can at least support a American company. But tools, furniture, cars, dishes, pots and pans, rugs, bedding and beds, which I have bought recently has all been American made costing me thousands more but glad I did it. Now if I could just find a American made work boot in size 13 double wide.

What is funny is you admit to spending thousands more based on a personal preference when in essence those same products would have compared fairly.

It's like you payed thousands more just for a name brand.

 

[TRUE LIBERTY]

What is funny is you admit to spending thousands more based on a personal preference when in essence those same products would have compared fairly.

It's like you payed thousands more just for a name brand.

Pretty much. Country first! I mean if the 4000 bed we just bought that folds and bends was junk I would not have bought it just because it's American but it was well made so I was willing to invest a extra grand into my country. And will continue as long as I can afford it.

 

[Amoo]

What is funny is you admit to spending thousands more based on a personal preference when in essence those same products would have compared fairly.

It's like you payed thousands more just for a name brand.

What else is funny is it's his damn choice to do whatever he damn well pleases as a grown ass man and doesn't need others either stereotyping him or telling him how he should be spending his money....

 

[needler420]

I'm not saying how him or anyone should spend their money.

I am saying people buy things based on name brand and place of origin, overlooking materials and craftsmanship.

Buy whatever you want but then don't tell the person buying a Chinese clone how to spend their money. If the copyrights licensing is legal it's the pot calling the kettle burned.