Perfect Lockup on folder - Overrated??

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Let me state a couple of preconditions, then my statement.

Knife is a production piece.

The safety of the blade and it's ability to lock is not compromised by blade wiggle.

Given these two things is a small amount of blade wiggle a problem? Are we just too demanding nowadays? :p
 
A little wobble on a production knife is acceptable, but not much. I guess I am pretty demanding.
 
With the processes available to production companies today.............blade wiggle is not acceptable!
 
I second artsig's view. Check out most throw away made in China locking folders - they lock up pretty nicely. The more automated the processes, the more they should get their fit up right. I have a tiny slip joint from the 1880's in pretty shoddy condition but the fit and snap-open is like set in stone. If they could do it right back then, they should do it now.

Cheers.
 
When you all mention 'blade wiggle' what exactly do you mean? Is this wiggle from side to side or front to back or just in any direction?

Which direction are you more likely to find wiggle? To consider a blade wiggly how much does there have to be? How often do you find production knives that have wiggle?

I'm asking all this because I'm fairly new to knives and I'm having a hard time finding any that have any wiggle at all, much less so much that it worries me. I went to Wal-Mart and bought a Chive a few weeks ago, I expected to have to look through several before I found one that felt solid, but I had them hand me four of them and they all felt exactly the same. None had any movement when the blade was locked in place that I could find. Maybe I'm lucky so far but I'd like to find a knife that had some play so I could figure out what it felt like.
 
I don't have any blade wobble on my CS Recon 1...it's very solid for a folding knife.

I am a fixed blade kinda guy my self..:D
 
Blade wiggle on a manual or auto folder (side opener). . .unacceptable. And I have yet to see it.

Blade wiggle on a OTF. . .can only be very very minimal. I have quite a few OTF's and I've yet to get one that you could see any noticable wiggle with the naked eye.

And my eyes are always naked ! :p
 
Blade wiggle can be side to side or up and down. Regardless of which direction it is in, it is not to be accepted. How much wiggle constitutes wiggle is a subjective thing. For me if I even feel it, it is a goner, unless tightening the pivot takes care of it. Some knives can be shipped with a very loose pivot that could be the cause of wiggle. There have been times that I could just barely feel the wiggle and it was nothing that you could see, even so I did not buy. I will get a firm grasp on the handle and then with the blade open take my thumb and forefinger and place them at the base of the blade on the blade flats and move the blade to the right and then to the left, up and then down. If there is no play I move up to the half way point on the blade and repeat, then move to the tip area for the final test. If there is no movement at the tip then you have a SOLID knife!! Thats how I do it, YMMV.
 
I didn't see/read this thread until after I'd posted a few moments ago title "Am I being anal?". Interesting thoughts, and now I don't feel so "anal". Good thread. I have a Gerber AR3 (I think that's the model#) that was solid as stone when I bought it a year ago, but now has some wiggle. It's adjustable too, but, I can't win between it being rock-solid and impossible to deploy one-handed, or, a bit of wiggle but opens lightning-fast. But, it's just a beater anyway. (Not that I don't like the knife).

WayLander
 
10 years ago, I would have accepted a minimal bit of blade wobble on most folders, but with the tolerances achieved today by most production companies, I cannot see any excuse for even the slightest bit of of blade wobble on today's modern folders (especially on American made folders.)
 
on a new folder "blade wiggle"is not acceptable.No one asked if this is a used folder or what kind of lock it is.I think a liner lock will develope some play after hard use.This is even possible on custom made folders.
 
On a liner lock, any up and down play indicates that there is no tension between the back of the blade and the locking bar.This is a sure recipe for having that locking bar swing out of the way and letting the knife fold up, always at the worst possible time. If you look carefully at the point on the back of the blade where the locking bar makes contact, you will see that it is slightly angled to create a binding effect as the bar hits it. That tension is essential to the correct function of the lock. On a well made lock, as the moving parts wear, the farther the locking bar will travel across the contact point, insuring that tight lock up and tension remains. If you have a liner lock bar that goes all the way across the gap to the other side of the liner, your knife is either worn out of tolerences or was never right in the first place. Either way, it needs to be repaired or replaced. When I say replaced, I mean the offending knife should be disabled or destroyed! It is a hazard and should not be handed down to some one else or sold to the unsuspecting.
Side to side wiggle offers another potential problem. The side to side movement can create a ratcheting action between the locking bar and the contact point. The back and forth movement will slightly push the locking bar towards the point of disengagement in very small increments. If you are concentrating on the task at hand, you won't even notice the movement. Once again, the recipe for the knife folding on your fingers is there.
Wiggle on either axis will only get worse with time. It will not self correct. That is why it is so critical to start out right.
People have asked me I'll spend so much to buy a given knife. I'll explain that while I may have spent $100-$200 for a good production folder, the cost of surgically re-attaching severed fingers is about $10,000 per digit. Sure makes the upfront cost of a good knife a bargain! ;)
90% of the time, my EDC is an Axis lock. I am habituated to it's method of carry and I have absolute confidence in it's lock up.
Dave
 
IMO, Blade wiggle is unacceptable in the locked position. Most knives don't even have blade wiggle.. i dont think i've ever owned one that wiggle in any direction.

When i talk about blade wiggle i usually refer to the side to side wiggle of the blade when the lock is _disengaged_ but the blade is out.

Good knives can still open smoothly and and have zero blade wiggle when the lock is disengaged.
 
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