Phillip Seymour Hoffman

AMEN people that have no clue regarding addiction and how it grasps you and waits for your weak moment...THEY WILL NEVER KNOW I WISH THIS ADDICTION ON NO ONE.....................everyone has a right to their opinion though Bless the folks that have no issue with any form of ADDICTION...............
 
I have never experienced addiction of any kind, but based on what I do know about it, it sounds like major depression combined with torture.
 
Guys


Please, it is not a "disease like cancer". They do not sell cancer on the street, people do not seek out cancer...

Just sayin
 
Some make it, many don't.
Addiction can be very complicated.
I'm 15 yrs. sober.
rolf
 
HwangJino said:
I don't really respect actors, but feel for his family (kids).
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I don't get this mindset. Actors are like people from any walk of life. There are certainly A-holes, but there are also some actors who are good people, too. No different from cops, doctors, CEOs, priests, etc. A high percentage of Americans almost worship sports stars, and their ranks include some major A-holes as well.

Once again, if anyone thinks acting is an easy job, do it! You'll have millions of dollars, more than enough to buy as many knives, etc., as you want, and no more $$ worries. Unfortunately, the reality is far less glamourous, and success is far more difficult to achieve than most people realize. Perhaps some of the sweeping disdain some have for actors in general has a bit to do with jealousy?

I have had three people in my life, two of them close, who were serious alcoholics. It is maddening, but having dealt with them, I would never presume it's as easy to quit as many people think. It's an outer symptom of a serious issue from within. I'll leave it at that.

Jim
 
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GIZMOMAN said:
AMEN people that have no clue regarding addiction and how it grasps you and waits for your weak moment...THEY WILL NEVER KNOW I WISH THIS ADDICTION ON NO ONE.....................everyone has a right to their opinion though Bless the folks that have no issue with any form of ADDICTION...............
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:thumbup: I imagine that there's a few smokers around that couldn't go a day without a dart, not that they are addicted eh ?.............. ;) I've seen doctors, cops, lawyers, a pro football player, grandmothers, you name it while working in treatment\detox centers. I simply do not have the desire or energy to try and sway any views. I wish everyone health and happiness.
:)
 
pwerfel said:
Guys


Please, it is not a "disease like cancer". They do not sell cancer on the street, people do not seek out cancer...

Just sayin
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+1 of this. Addiction can be tragic but the bottom line is an addiction can be overcome and is no ones fault but the addicted.
 
pwerfel said:
Guys


Please, it is not a "disease like cancer". They do not sell cancer on the street, people do not seek out cancer...

Just sayin
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Nobody seeks out addiction. People who sell that garbage to the addicted are a cancer of society.
 
Really? a cancer on society?

As someone who's loved ones have been touched by cancer as well as alcoholism, I find that that calling an addiction a "disease" like cancer is offensive. Society has done this simply an excuse for poor choices or a failure of ones character...

I am happy that those who are in recovery are doing well and making better choices.
 
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:thumbup: I imagine that there's a few smokers around that couldn't go a day without a dart, not that they are addicted eh ?.............. ;) I've seen doctors, cops, lawyers, a pro football player, grandmothers, you name it while working in treatment\detox centers. I simply do not have the desire or energy to try and sway any views. I wish everyone health and happiness.
:)
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kinda like this guy: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/54263165/ns/local_news-las_vegas_nv/
 
Addiction is very difficult to understand and if you have never dealt with it yourself I can see how it would be difficult to be empathetic towards someone struggling.
But discrediting the very real affects and challenges of addiction out of ignorance isn't very helpful.
I don't think that because someone is unable to help themselves they are not worthy of help from others.
It is very sad that another man has died from his addictions and no family should have to go through that. I'll be praying for them.
 
May he Rest In Peace.

What do you care how he lived or how he died? Are you his father, his brother, his friend or his son? A man is dead, all he ever was or ever will be in done. Anything you say or think is just to make yourself feel better about your own mortality.
 
To those of you who claim addiction is a disease or medical problem, shame on you. At some point the "Addict" made a choice to use, at no point did a woman with breast cancer or a child with leukemia make such a horrible choice.

I understand that addiction is probably greater than non-addicts will ever understand, but it starts with a choice, and quite honestly, it continues and grows with more bad choices. I do feel for those with addiction, as I did not walk the same path as them and therefore am not passing judgment. I do not know how they got there, but I will not give them free pass either.

With that said, calling it a "medical condition" is just giving an excuse to those who are taken in by it. If our society continues to call everything a "disease" or "condition" than we might as well start accepting child molesters and rapists under the same load of crap. We need to draw the line somewhere and hold people accountable for the bad choices they make.
 
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When drugs change the balance of chemicals in your brain, are you the same person you were before you started doing drugs? It is a medical condition that requires intervention from medical professionals, not auto mechanics or plumbers. As far as choices go, many people start smoking and end up with COPD or cancer, but none of them start with that outcome as their end goal. I doubt Mr Hoffman started his last day with "let's see if I can kill myself today." It's easy to judge people with addictions, it takes a bit more to help them. If will power was enough, nobody would ever be addicted.

Child molesters and rapists harm others, so there is more than a subtle difference between those individuals and an actor that passed away.
 
Well I have a pretty good idea what "DB" stands for.

As far as drugs changing the chemical balance, you chose to put those drugs in your body and change the chemical balance, it might need medical attention after that, but it was a choice.

I was not comparing him to a child molester, just using it as an extreme example of where this lack of accountability is headed.

I see that you compared your example to that of one who smokes and gets cancer or COPD, but I clearly picked two disease that were not brought on by ones choices. I did not say that addiction can't lead to a disease.

You must have missed the part where I said I was not judging. My point was that I can not give the same sympathy to one who suffers from an addiction as someone who gets a illness or disease for an unknown reason.

Call it (addiction) what you want, it might even be genetic, but it is curable with nothing more than good choices and maybe a little help.

And I did read somewhere that he did make a decision to see if he could kill himself that day, I wasn't there, I don't know.
 
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Well I have a pretty good idea what "DB" stands for.

As far as drugs changing the chemical balance, you chose to put those drugs in your body and change the chemical balance, it might need medical attention after that, but it was a choice.

I was not comparing him to a child molester, just using it as an extreme example of where this lack of accountability is headed.

I see that you compared your example to that of one who smokes and gets cancer or COPD, but I clearly picked two disease that were not brought on by ones choices. I did not say that addiction can't lead to a disease.

You must have missed the part where I said I was not judging. My point was that I can not give the same sympathy to one who suffers from an addiction as someone who gets a illness or disease for an unknown reason.

Call it (addiction) what you want, it might even be genetic, but it is curable with nothing more than good choices and maybe a little help.

And I did read somewhere that he did make a decision to see if he could kill himself that day, I wasn't there, I don't know.
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Empathy is not the same as sympathy. A little empathy would go a long way and accepting the fact that you can't understand someone else's addictions is a good place to start.

I don't believe there is a simple cure for addictions, unfortunately the evidence of that is overwhelming. If it were just a matter of stopping people wouldn't die from their addictions every day.

As to why people start? That depends on the person but I doubt "to become an addict" is the common reason.
 
As one who has been clean and sober for 23 years now, I can empathize with the struggles of an addict. Been there, done that, and helped many in sobriety.
Having said all that, "Play stupid game, Win stupid prizes".
I have made a choice everyday for 23 years, that I would not drink or drug today. As did Mr. Hoffman for a number of years.
I could choose to make a different choice tomorrow, as Mr. Hoffman did.
Especially after a period of sobriety, where you learn ways to cope, to go out and use again is a choice.
His family has to live with his selfish choice.
 
Sympathy or empathy, it makes no difference to him as he is dead. But, to his family it might be of some small comfort to see him get the respect as a human being, you know, more than average roadkill.

People start substances for all kinds of reasons, ranging from curiosity and peer pressure to desperation. None "choose" addiction and the physical and emotional damage it brings. When a fish takes a hook, and the hook is stuck in its mouth or throat, did the fish choose that?
 
Who will play "tootsie" in the remake, I liked the "faulker movies" as short as he was, he still made great movies.
He will always be remembered as the kid in the graduate .
 
Btw, is heroin still coming via Sicily or are there different routes now?

[video=youtube;3lH3BIk58mg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lH3BIk58mg[/video]
 
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