Pick a fight? over a Busse

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Paw-Bah:

I bought my first Busse in 1994 and my second in 1995.
The second was rough, not up to the standard of the first one. I called and Jerry answered, told me to send it back.
Called again, offered me my money back or a better knife, my coice. I thankfully made the right choice and still have the knife, and original Badger Attack. There was not one second of hesitation or quibbling on Jerry's part.

Fast forward to 2002, my 21 year old daughter lying in a near-vegetative state in a Gardendale, Alabama nursing home, a hit and run victim. I held my brand new Busse Active Duty (best knife Busse ever made, by the way) up to her eyes and promised her that I was putting it up for her for he day she could go deer hunting with me again.
Told the story on this forum. One week later, a package arrived with another Active Duty from Jerry and Jennifer, with a note saying they wanted to replace the one I gave Kim.

2004. Kim making remarkable progress, went with me to Balde Show. At Busse-hosted dinner Jerry made her a Busse "Hoggette", complete with T-shirt and a specially printed Steel Heart E, which is on display in a case in our den, along with the Active Duty and her other knives.

On top of all this, I have accumulated some of the toughest, best engineered and designed knives in the world. Being an engineer and former manager of a materials standards testing laboratory, I have deep appreciation of that.

Every encounter and dealing I have had with the Busses and Busse enployees over the last twelve years has been
very positive. At this point, you can count on one hand the non-Busse/Swamp Rat knives I have bought over the last twelve years, and if Busse made folders, that number would be even less.

We Hogs have been derided in a couple of postings lately as "Busse fan-boys." Well, sir, if that is what I am then I will wear the name proudly.
 
Paw-bah said:
Wuyeah i read the page you posted and i bookmarked it so i could go back and study it.
but from what i read it was a sales write-up,,read the clames again,,what is claimed could be said about 440C at that Rockwell.

i know it sounds like i am being piss-ee but i am searching for answers not trying to tear them down,,like i said I like the look of them,,but a knife maker doesn't buy a lot of knives,,he makes his own.

so thank you all in advance for this education.
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Hey, it's entirely legitimate to ask questions. In fact, it's better to be doubtful and ask questions than jump straight into something and be disappointed. As far as Busse is concerned, though, they are the "real deal" - extremely tough knives for hard use, with a remarkably fine warranty.

As for the claims on the "INFI facts" page, yes, they are intended to market the steel - that's what a business does, markets their product. The claims made, though, are not, "marketing BS".

You said that what is claimed about INFI could be said about 440C at that Rockwell. In saying that, you are simply completely and utterly wrong. Well, of course it's true that anyone could say anything about 440C at any Rockwell, but just because someone says something doesn't make it the truth. Let's look at some of the things Busse claims about INFI, and see if they could really be truthfully said about 440C at any Rockwell, let alone at 58 - 60.


1) "In one of our performance tests, we bend a Battle Mistress 35 degrees in a vise and it springs back to true. Why would we do this? What does it prove? What is the benefit to the customer? Not only does this test demonstrate the enormous toughness and lateral strength of an INFI blade but, because our hardness is homogenous and not differential, it demonstrates the amount of lateral strength and "spring" of INFI all the way to the edge. That means that edge of the blade will possess this same toughness. INFI is the only knife steel ever tested that has achieved such high levels of lateral strength with a homogenous hardness of 58 - 60 Rc. No other steel has even neared this performance level."

- Could you bend a 10" bladed 440C knife hardened to 58 - 60 Rc to 35 degrees without breaking it or getting it to take a set? No, you absolutely could not. So this could not be said about 440C. It can be said about INFI, though, because you can in fact do this with INFI.


2) "INFI represents what I have always dreamed of in a knife steel. Tougher, by an enormous margin, than any other steel I've ever tested. Unparalleled edge holding under high impact and in cutting tests. Shock resistance that begs you to bring it on."

- Could you say this about 440C? Is 440C tougher than most other steels, even basic carbon steels? Let me answer that: hell to the no. 440C is NOT tough by any measure, compared to steels like 1055 or 5160. But INFI is tough. Does 440C have great edge holding under high impact? No, 440C falls apart under high impact at 58 - 60 Rc. Does 440C have good shock resistance? No, but INFI does.


3) "So, although INFI is not technically a stainless steel, it is certainly not a rust aggressive steel."

- Could you say this about 440C? :D 440C is a stainless steel, so I guess you couldn't say that it is not technically stainless. :D


Well, now that we've established that the INFI facts could not be claimed about 440C without lying like a politician, I figure the facts speak for themselves as far as INFI is concerned. It's really an excellent steel for hard use knives. That makes Busse knives worth the money for me.
 
MikeH said:
Paw-Bah:

I bought my first Busse in 1994 and my second in 1995.
The second was rough, not up to the standard of the first one. I called and Jerry answered, told me to send it back.
Called again, offered me my money back or a better knife, my coice. I thankfully made the right choice and still have the knife, and original Badger Attack. There was not one second of hesitation or quibbling on Jerry's part.

Fast forward to 2002, my 21 year old daughter lying in a near-vegetative state in a Gardendale, Alabama nursing home, a hit and run victim. I held my brand new Busse Active Duty (best knife Busse ever made, by the way) up to her eyes and promised her that I was putting it up for her for he day she could go deer hunting with me again.
Told the story on this forum. One week later, a package arrived with another Active Duty from Jerry and Jennifer, with a note saying they wanted to replace the one I gave Kim.

2004. Kim making remarkable progress, went with me to Balde Show. At Busse-hosted dinner Jerry made her a Busse "Hoggette", complete with T-shirt and a specially printed Steel Heart E, which is on display in a case in our den, along with the Active Duty and her other knives.

On top of all this, I have accumulated some of the toughest, best engineered and designed knives in the world. Being an engineer and former manager of a materials standards testing laboratory, I have deep appreciation of that.

Every encounter and dealing I have had with the Busses and Busse enployees over the last twelve years has been
very positive. At this point, you can count on one hand the non-Busse/Swamp Rat knives I have bought over the last twelve years, and if Busse made folders, that number would be even less.

We Hogs have been derided in a couple of postings lately as "Busse fan-boys." Well, sir, if that is what I am then I will wear the name proudly.
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and we busse fan boys can also cry..... to me this sums up my love for busse combat more than the talk of infi and designs...... (ps..... i hate it when folks make me cry when at work)
 
I'm in your same boat Paw-Bah.

Here's where I'm at. I am not a knife collector. I don't own 10 choppers, I own one. If I'm going to use a different one, I replace it. So right now I use a Ranger RD9. It's a big hunk of 1/4" 5160 steel. If I were to replace it with a Busse of the same size, it would have to be a FBM of some sort. The cheapest I ever see these going for is $500ish bucks.

So, if I couldn't give two hoots about collectability or brand recognition, what is the arguement to spend $500 to trade my RD9 for a FBM? I highly, highly doubt my RD9 will ever fail. It is also backed by a no questions asked life time warrenty from Justin at Ranger Knives. I'm sure there are reasons why the FBM is a better knife than the RD9, but is so much better that it's worth spending 5 times the price of the RD9 to get it?
 
Noshtero said:
I'm in your same boat Paw-Bah.

Here's where I'm at. I am not a knife collector. I don't own 10 choppers, I own one. If I'm going to use a different one, I replace it. So right now I use a Ranger RD9. It's a big hunk of 1/4" 5160 steel. If I were to replace it with a Busse of the same size, it would have to be a FBM of some sort. The cheapest I ever see these going for is $500ish bucks.

So, if I couldn't give two hoots about collectability or brand recognition, what is the arguement to spend $500 to trade my RD9 for a FBM? I highly, highly doubt my RD9 will ever fail. It is also backed by a no questions asked life time warrenty from Justin at Ranger Knives. I'm sure there are reasons why the FBM is a better knife than the RD9, but is so much better that it's worth spending 5 times the price of the RD9 to get it?
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Actually, while there are some going for over $500, many have been up lately that are a lot closer to $400, and not much over. If you were so inclined, you could get one and then sell your RD9 to get some of your money back from it. That would put you down in the $300's for a FBM. That's a good deal. If you like your RD9 better after you get the FBM, you can probably get most if not all your money back from the Busse, even after a little use. :thumbup:
 
Noshtero said:
I'm in your same boat Paw-Bah.

Here's where I'm at. I am not a knife collector. I don't own 10 choppers, I own one. If I'm going to use a different one, I replace it. So right now I use a Ranger RD9. It's a big hunk of 1/4" 5160 steel. If I were to replace it with a Busse of the same size, it would have to be a FBM of some sort. The cheapest I ever see these going for is $500ish bucks.

So, if I couldn't give two hoots about collectability or brand recognition, what is the arguement to spend $500 to trade my RD9 for a FBM? I highly, highly doubt my RD9 will ever fail. It is also backed by a no questions asked life time warrenty from Justin at Ranger Knives. I'm sure there are reasons why the FBM is a better knife than the RD9, but is so much better that it's worth spending 5 times the price of the RD9 to get it?
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If you like your knife, be happy with it. It is a quality knife that will serve you well, and certainly more than adequate.

Of course, if Busse is too expensive, you can get nearly as good a blade from Swamp Rat or Scrap Yard knives, which are the more "budget priced" Busse lines.

Still, you do get what you pay for. . . :thumbup:

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Reason #1 - quality cost more

Reason #2 Service, Service, Service

Reason #3 - The Janitor is funny, Amy O is the BEST and they treat you like family :)
 
MikeH said:
Paw-Bah:

We Hogs have been derided in a couple of postings lately as "Busse fan-boys." Well, sir, if that is what I am then I will wear the name proudly.
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when was the first usage of the "Fan Boy" term used? I think it was in the last week or two.

Maybe we should have a new line called the Fan Boy Line. :D
 
Noshtero:

(1) RD9: awesome knife. One heck of a chopper. I doubt you'll ever need more than that.

(2) Scrap Yard Dog Father: This thing is a beast. Not much more than the RD9s.

Top notch warraty.

I am really liking my Busse FFBM. It is a monster. Many think it is too heavy or too much. But its a preference thing.

Try them out and stay with what works. :) I am like you in that I just keep users. I have one large and one medium/small Busse knife. I can't imagine needing more than this.

Oh, yeah, I also have a Busse AK for the zombies. :D
 
Noshtero said:
I'm in your same boat Paw-Bah.

Here's where I'm at. I am not a knife collector. I don't own 10 choppers, I own one. If I'm going to use a different one, I replace it. So right now I use a Ranger RD9. It's a big hunk of 1/4" 5160 steel. If I were to replace it with a Busse of the same size, it would have to be a FBM of some sort. The cheapest I ever see these going for is $500ish bucks.

So, if I couldn't give two hoots about collectability or brand recognition, what is the arguement to spend $500 to trade my RD9 for a FBM? I highly, highly doubt my RD9 will ever fail. It is also backed by a no questions asked life time warrenty from Justin at Ranger Knives. I'm sure there are reasons why the FBM is a better knife than the RD9, but is so much better that it's worth spending 5 times the price of the RD9 to get it?
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Quite honestly, I wouldn't recommend spending the money and effort required to get an FBM if you aren't a knife collector or just someone who absolutely needs to have "the best" in everything at whatever cost. For someone who just wants a good user knife, regardless of brands or such and with no desire to make an investment out of their knives, no, Busses are not worth 5 times the price of other good knives - not to me, at least. Like others already said, use what you like. Rangers are fine knives for the tasks they were made for - I've a new Ranger on order right now, actually. Gotta like 'em. So, if you ask me, there's isn't much of an argument...

As the saying goes, whatever floats your boat. :thumbup: I like all kinds of knives... and swords, so I get stuck with getting a lot of everything of decent or higher quality.

Price to performance ratio is one thing, but the plain and simple truth is that Busse knives really do perform. That's why it hurts my head to see some people compare INFI to 440C. That's like comparing an Aston Martin to a Lada. Sure, both are cars, but...
 
Cobalt said:
when was the first usage of the "Fan Boy" term used? I think it was in the last week or two.

Maybe we should have a new line called the Fan Boy Line. :D
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I've used it in describing myself for quite awhile now, in quite a few posts. No Regrets, No Shame.
 
Let's see,

Supply and demand/Marketing/popularity/performance.

Knives, sort of like Fast horses,Pretty girls and Booze at the top end go up rapidly in price for small gains in performance.

People seem to be willing and able to pay for what they think is the best, I do.

Buy what you think you can afford for the use you intend.

Edited to add,

Lazer Cut, CNC for the combat grade, some hand grinding for the custom shop stuff, Heat Treat (that part sounds simple, does it not) Dip, put a handle on it, sharpen and ship, no sheath.

The rest is history, plenty of reading to be done to look at the history of the Company.
 
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=509105

This is arguably a "lower end" Busse. I dont subscribe too much to these tests but I think it says a lot about the quality of the knife. It was the only one to survive.

I bought my first Busse a couple months ago thanks to Dr. Lunde. It was a game warden. Then I got a Crash Axe from Swamp Rat, then an M6, then a Badger Attack, then a Batac LE, then a swamp rat chopweiller, then a swamp warden, now I have another GW on the way, and a Sus scrofa.

I use them, I collect them, and think they make great presents.

The Swamp Rat M6 is earning its keep with a buddy of mine working for MPRI.

I'll have to replace it...

I'm told all the nicks and chips in my CPM30V will sharpen out, but I've never had that problem with my busses or swamps.

The only real complaint I have with them is that I cant seem to find anyone selling their frame lock folders anywhere that I know they must be producing...
 
Not sure about picking a fight...

You can pick:

Your nose
Your butt
Your Friends
Your Guitar
Your team for kickball

Anyway.... just thought I would interject utter nonsense to a sensible thread :p
 
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