pistol suggestions please

zpaulg said:
Try the Heckler and Koch P7 M8 in 9mm. Compact, squeeze cocker, inherently safe and ideal for small/medium hands. Only 8 round mag but if you find yourself doing mag changes methinks wrong time, wrong place and wrong weapon of choice!!!
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Those are beautiful but expensive. The cheapest I've ever seen is around $1200. And that's if you can find one.
 
zpaulg said:
Try the Heckler and Koch P7 M8 in 9mm. Compact, squeeze cocker, inherently safe and ideal for small/medium hands. Only 8 round mag but if you find yourself doing mag changes methinks wrong time, wrong place and wrong weapon of choice!!!
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Theres a high capacity version available that holds 13 rounds.
 
I have never owned an ACP that has not had some sort of issue with it, that needs some gunsmithing to tweak it just right. Keep it simple, Smith 327 performance center 8-shot revolver.

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Honestly, I've never owned an ACP (except for reloads) that had a problem. For me, anyway, Glock, Colt, & Browning have all been flawless with factory ammo.
 
Just get a Glock 23 and order a Barrel from Bar-Sto out of Ca. in 357 Sig and then get a 22 Conversion Kit from Ceinner out of Atlanta (Slide & Barrel) and your good to go. Plink all day long with the 22 Bulk Box and practice indoor range with the 40 cal & 357 Sig !
Three Guns in one that way.
And if you want get a Kahr CW9 for when you go out to eat with a Jacket on (it is slimmer) and you are good to go "period".!* But "PRACTICE" with all or forget it.!* My .02c worth.
 
Glock 19, 23, 32, or 36. Pick your poison. They're all wonderful carry and home defense weapons and all about the same size and perfect for CCW.
 
The most important thing is to try out a number of different ones. Only you can tell what works best for you.

I have four different .45s in my house (full size 1911, mid-sized 1911, Sig P220, and Glock 30). I always carry the G30. It is much more compact than the others, and shoots really well. It is surprisingly accurate for a subcompact, and the recoil is no problem at all. I know a lot of people don't like the wide grip on the Glock .45s, but I have no problems at all with it, and I don't have large hands.
 
Ooooh, hell! I just have to weigh in on this 'what's the best pistol?' thing. There is no best! I can shoot ANY handgun I pick up well so long as it is not overdue for the scrap bin. And the same with any other tool. You don't buy custom hammers, pliers, handsaws, screwdrivers, shovels, picks, chisels, can openers, scissors, etc. Instead you adapt yourself to the tool! Same damned thing with guns! If you'll simply learn how to properly grip ANY pistol or revolver, obtain a sight picture, and squeeze the trigger, then ANY of them will shoot well for you!

My $00.02 and I'm sticking with it. Get off the this and that make, model, caliber, grip style, and so on. Please! Learn practical shooting and 'custom' choices become moot. I have more than 30 handguns from 22s through 45-70s and I'm damed good with ALL of them. NONE have custom grips or anything else 'custom.' A number have adjustable sights but other than elevation for extreme long range, all are centered for windage. And don't give me crap about I have to adjust the windage because of my eyesight. Ain't so! We all see the same. If we didn't, we wouldn't be able to drive cars. People with rear sights screwed way one direction or the other are 'milking' the gun and haven't learned to shoot.
 
^ Truth is, not all of us see exactly the same. Some people are right eye dominant and some people are left eye dominant to all sorts of varying degrees. That being said, this is the first I've ever heard of or considered adjusting sites for such a difference. I know it can make a difference in golf with putter styles. ;) :)
 
Old CW4 said:
Ooooh, hell! I just have to weigh in on this 'what's the best pistol?' thing. There is no best! I can shoot ANY handgun I pick up well so long as it is not overdue for the scrap bin. And the same with any other tool. You don't buy custom hammers, pliers, handsaws, screwdrivers, shovels, picks, chisels, can openers, scissors, etc. Instead you adapt yourself to the tool! Same damned thing with guns! If you'll simply learn how to properly grip ANY pistol or revolver, obtain a sight picture, and squeeze the trigger, then ANY of them will shoot well for you!

My $00.02 and I'm sticking with it. Get off the this and that make, model, caliber, grip style, and so on. Please! Learn practical shooting and 'custom' choices become moot. I have more than 30 handguns from 22s through 45-70s and I'm damed good with ALL of them. NONE have custom grips or anything else 'custom.' A number have adjustable sights but other than elevation for extreme long range, all are centered for windage. And don't give me crap about I have to adjust the windage because of my eyesight. Ain't so! We all see the same. If we didn't, we wouldn't be able to drive cars. People with rear sights screwed way one direction or the other are 'milking' the gun and haven't learned to shoot.
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I would disagree to a point. Unlike a hammer or saw... guns are designed to kill people. That is their function. So i want something that is accurate, reliable, and easy to shoot when I'm terrified that I'm about to die. And though i shoot many different types of firearms for recreation... i train over and over and over again with my one selected carry weapon so that shooting is a matter of muscle memory. IMHO anyone that changes their carry weapon every 6 months isn't going to have much muscle memory in a tense situation. YMMV. Except for those who have a winter carry weapon and a summer carry weapon and train non stop with both. Just mho.
 
I'm gonna go + with all those that advise Springfield XD-M, and for a 1st gun with your requiremensts, one in .40 S&W. I love my SW M&P, my Sigs, HKs, and my 1911s. But the XD-M is and all round fine choice.
 
I personaly prefer Glock handguns. At work I carry a Glock 22 40 caliber. I fire up wards of 750 rounds a year through it. For my personal carry gun I carry either a Glock model 22 or 23. Sometimes I switch it up and carry my Springfield TRP 1911. Granted I do get a lot of practice through work being a master firearms trainer but I tell new recruits constantly to practice till they think they are good and then practice a hell of a lot more.You never know when the reaper is going to put you in a life or death challenge that is not when you want to think about what your doing it should be second nature!

Mike
 
IMO, the 'muscle memory' potential of the human brain and body is nearly infinate and complex skills once learned are never forgotten. Examples: swimming, bike and horse riding, AND shooting. I would hate to think I had to depend on THE gun rather than A gun. I carry a variety of guns and function equally well with all of them. I also remember the idiosyncrasies and/or short comings, if any, of all of mine (usually factors such as caliber, barrel length, and touchy or stiff triggers, also the correct grip (a crucial factor) to use with each.
 
Another vote for the Glock Model 23 in .40 S&W.
I sold my much-loved 1911 (I know- that's heresy) to finance that purchase and am very satisfied.
 
I think it's been said but the best gun for ccw is the one you will carry with you and not leave at home. I own a boat load of high end and low end pieces which include, glock, sig, kahr, kimber, springfield, sti, s&w, hk and colt.

The top 3 I carry? khar pm9, glock26, and my springfield emp in 9mm. and then my sig 239sas which is a awesome gun for both range and ccw but again it's heaver than I like for every day. The SRT trigger doesn't get much sweeter on a dao. Also my s&w 642 sucks to shoot with +p , it kills my hand but I carry it in an ankle rig sometimes since it's so damn light.

Stay away from the 1911 unless you plan to invest in ammo to break it in. My kahr was good after 200 rounds and my glock 26 was perfect round 1 out of the box. The only 1911 I didn't really need to break in is my colt defender 9mm.

Usually what your looking for doesn't exist. Not to say I won't carry my 5" 1911 or glock 19 on occasion but I am a realist when it comes to a carry piece. I sure as hell don't want to strap it on to run to the store at night. Buy a ccw rig then get a full size to shoot at the range. As for HD I won't go after my handgun unless it's a last resort I use a shotgun for that to keep from shooting through walls,kids,neighbors. My 4th round is a slug though.

The other pain in the ass is finding the right holster. I've found that comptac, crossbreed and milt sparks all work well for me with a fbi cant set.

Here's some ideas. But like I said I favor my pm9 most of the time.

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Go to a gun store that will rent some stuff for you to try out. See what feels best in your hand. You'll know when you pick up "the one". Hard to beat something like a 9mm Glock 19 or Springfield XD for a great all-purpose pistol. I like polymer framed guns but I prefer the old-school designs. Makarov PM is one of my all-time favorites. But that's just me. You might as well just set aside five grand. You'll spend that much looking for the perfect gun.
 
All good insight, but re this:

ec9 said:
Stay away from the 1911 unless you plan to invest in ammo to break it in. My kahr was good after 200 rounds and my glock 26 was perfect round 1 out of the box. The only 1911 I didn't really need to break in is my colt defender 9mm.
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Depends on the 1911. Kimber says to break in with 500 rounds — screw that! My 1911s have been 100% after the first magazine, and one of them's a Baer.

On the other hand: should you really be trusting a gun that you haven't put a few hundred rounds through? I know I wouldn't.

I think break-in for reliable function is, or should be, nonsense…*but gaining experience and flushing out a possible lemon (always a possibility with any gun) is important, and the only way to do that is by spending time at the range.
 
Old CW4 said:
IMO, the 'muscle memory' potential of the human brain and body is nearly infinate and complex skills once learned are never forgotten. Examples: swimming, bike and horse riding, AND shooting. I would hate to think I had to depend on THE gun rather than A gun. I carry a variety of guns and function equally well with all of them. I also remember the idiosyncrasies and/or short comings, if any, of all of mine (usually factors such as caliber, barrel length, and touchy or stiff triggers, also the correct grip (a crucial factor) to use with each.
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I hope for your sake in a moment of panic that remains true. I personally feel in such a situation I am going to draw and fire. So I prefer the gun I've drawn and fired a million times over the ones I shoot when I get a chance.
 
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