pistol suggestions please

ec9 said:
Usually what your looking for doesn't exist.
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This part of your comment sure struck a cord! Ain't it the truth?!?!

I want a CCW piece that is as small and light as my Ruger LCP, in 9mm, with an exposed hammer, with a trigger like my G19, AND with the capacity of my G19.:D

ON EDIT: Nice pictures of your collection by the way!
 
Another vote for kahr. They make easily concealable guns that don't suck to shoot.

You could always look at a Walter ppk or sig 232. Sure they're 380 but they're great shooters and much more concealable.
 
I would recommend that you go down to your local gun store and actually get the feel of anything and everything that you are remotely interested in because realistically nobody but you can decide whats best for you....with that said you should buy a Glock 23/27 LOL
 
Infi-del, I won't go into a personal history of my military and police combat. But, bottom line, I made my peace with the Cosmos long ago and don't panic. It might be weird but I do the opposite, I get icy cold. I dread the impact of a bullet, punch, knife stab, or whatever but I'm ready for it and the resultant pain if it happens.

I stick by what I said about the human ability to have near infinite muscle and mind memory. Give it a little thought, about the innumerable things you've learned to do during your lifetime. Hell, you can't even drive a car across a reasonably sized town and recall how many times you stopped, changed lanes, and so on because it's so automatic. Driving is a skill at least as complex as shooting and so is typing on this stupid brain box of mine. Shaving, combing your hair, brushing your teeth, on and on. I have always put shooting in the same box as all those other mundane skills. IMO, there is NOTHING special about firing a gun! Once you've learned the how to and done it with a variety of firearms, those skills are set in concrete. I don't own or carry cheap 'Saturday night specials' and every firearm I own is good quality, so are my mags and I'm especially particular about them, the main failure point of semi autos.

I suggest you need to learn to trust your mind and body more with a variety of firearms and worry less about possible situations and their outcomes. I believe panic can be controlled by forethought and after your opponent is down and preferably dead is the time to start worrying about consequences, then you can panic.
 
handguns like the rest of the Universe above sub atomic particle size are controlled by the tenets of Sir Isaac Newton... light weight wheelguns shooting massive projectiles at high velocity are going to "kick"...light weight autoloaders shooting massive projectiles at high velocity requiring multi counterwound recoil springs are going to malfunction....for a new shooter try something more to the center....a steel "J" frame S&W or Ruger SP101 with .38spl, midsize G19 or M&P in 9mm..... and, if you want more horsepower go to the larger platforms... 3in "K" frame round butt M65/M13 S&W in .357 or GP100.... mid or full size .40 or .45 (the .40 is not a fun caliber for most people to learn to shoot with) ....
 
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Sir Isaac Newton says get a pm9 and avoid a bigger whole in your wallet with several purchases. Like I said I have tried a ton of different setups and love my pm9 in the comptac... pic from today. I don't just have an opinion on the internet I also wear it 14 hours a day :). And besides that I have a pocket and ankle holster so I can wear it anywhere I want and with anything I'm wearing.

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I had a CDP I had to run 800 rounds through before it didn't FTE at least once a mag. Let me rephrase Yes my Ed Brown was 100% out of the box and so was my TRP. But everything production has had issue beside my colt defender in 9mm. My Kobra was a custom and my TRP was hand fitted so therefor no issues. If someone wants to drop 1500-2500 on a 1911 yeah it will more than likely not have any issues. But you if you go to your local gun store and buy a Kimber be prepared to maybe get one that sucks. All my production 1911s are reliable *now* but they all have had about a 1000 rounds through them of costly 45 ammo :). I love the 1911 platform and ignore people who say its a old school. My main issue is with the quality control of these manufactures. hell my emp had issues untill i modified the mags; now no issue and 100%

holygoat said:
All good insight, but re this:



Depends on the 1911. Kimber says to break in with 500 rounds — screw that! My 1911s have been 100% after the first magazine, and one of them's a Baer.

On the other hand: should you really be trusting a gun that you haven't put a few hundred rounds through? I know I wouldn't.

I think break-in for reliable function is, or should be, nonsense…*but gaining experience and flushing out a possible lemon (always a possibility with any gun) is important, and the only way to do that is by spending time at the range.
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I'm a bit late to the party, but I'll throw in a big +1 for the Glock 19. I own many, many other pistols, most of them much more expensive, but out of them all the 19 is probably the best "all around" gun. Its combination of size, power, ruggedness, reliability, capacity and controllability makes it almost unbeatable.

A Glock 19 will run reliably from the very first round you put through it, and from then forward, with little to no maintenance other than basic cleaning. I've never had a single failure of any kind after several thousand rounds through the pipe. It is a marvelous little piece of engineering.
 
Old CW4 said:
Hell, you can't even drive a car across a reasonably sized town and recall how many times you stopped, changed lanes, and so on because it's so automatic.
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Once you've learned the how to and done it with a variety of firearms, those skills are set in concrete.
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You're right, but that doesn't actually back up your point.

Almost all modern cars run the same — turn wheel to the right, turn right. The same goes for pointing and firing a gun. I can drive most any car across town without thinking, and I can hit the target with most any pistol. Point, aim, and squeeze.

The trick comes when you consider controls. One of my cars is American, and has a steering column-mounted shifter. The other is Japanese, and has an automatic shifter between the seats.

Guess what happens when I drive the Acura after a long spell in my Chevy, and go to shift from drive into reverse? I reach up to the steering column, and say "damn".

(A similar thing happens when I switch between countries that drive on the other side of the road. I'll reach for the gearshift and slam my arm into the door.)

That's a mild annoyance with a car, but when it comes to taking the safety off a Beretta versus a 1911, or hitting the mag release on a Walther versus an M&P, a "misplaced habit" can kill.

That is why it's usually recommended to not switch carry guns like you change your clothes. In the stress of the moment you'll reach for the wrong safety, or screw up a mag change.

By all means carry a whole family of Glocks, or a bevy of 1911s… or even switch between categories that feel totally different and are less likely to trip you up (revolver vs. service auto)… even occasionally swap to a simpler gun (it doesn't matter if I try to swipe the thumb safety on a wondernine, but the average Glock shooter would get a real surprise using a 1911 under stress!). Just be careful about building habits that will be confounded when you chop and change.
 
You make some good points but I tend to disagree with the changing of firearms for carry. I say it depends...

I switch between a few and with the exception of my 1911s all of them lack manual safeties. With my glock khar or sig I don't need to flip anything I just pull the trigger. Yes they all fire a bit different but I practice with all of them at least once a month and know what the recoil is and what to expect of each.

If you go by statistics your going to be within 10 feet of your attacker which makes it all a mute point glock or my kahr I'm going to hit the target.

Second to that I carry a second mag but never intend to use it. I carry it because things are prone to failure and may need it but I don't expect to empty 2 mags into anyone.

If I can't hit them with 6 or 8 rounds in a row I don't need to carry a gun because I most like just hit some bystanders or shot through someones car, house or what have you.

You are responsible for every round you discharge so all in all it's about shot placement more than anything and if you practice with all of your carry firearms you shouldn't have a problem hitting the target, yes even under stress.

if your in a shoot out 30 ft away behind cars you may have more pressing problems than mag changes or slide releases. but have no fear you will have your CT laser and night sights and whatever other fancy crap everyone needs these days.....

Also I'm a lefty which makes it a bit more odd since 99% of guns are made for right handed people. I use my index finger to drop the mags and rarely use the slide release and usually pull the silde nice and hard to rack it and drop it. All my guns rack the same way by the way.

This kind of goes back to the ammo debate of which is better blah blah blah.. but we saw how effective a 9mm round was in az not to long ago. It's not a good example but a valid one.

So are you right yes you are... but will muscle memory degrade me hitting a target more than likely not... so it depends. If your new to firearms and don't practice I say yes it will. If you think your Wyatt Earp and change your gun every week it's going to suck if you have to use.

If you guys really want to try something take a class with moving targets. And then practice off handed. It was a real eye opener for me the first time and ever since a few years ago I shoot about 50 rounds each range trip off handed. But I still remember the first time I tried it and it was one of the weirdest feelings ever.

No matter what firearms you have you need to practice with any gun you carry. It also looks much better if you have a monthly log where you practiced if it ever goes to court.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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Great value best of the best warranty, and as of late very good quality/reliable!
 
I own a bunch of firearms,S&W,Para Ord.,Kahr,Sig,Colt,Glock and they are all excellent. One of my favorites is my Springfield XD40 sub compact. It is sized in between a Glock 27 and 23 and in my opinion is more comfortable to hold and shoot. The gun has many accessories avaliable from Springfield and is priced right for what you get. Also before you buy a Glock 27 in .40 cal I would suggest you shoot one. I love a gun that has alot of blast and recoil but that gun just fit my hand wrong and was punishing to shoot.
 
maxamisprime said:
A friend of mine has the lcp he likes it a lot I think it comes in a 9mm now also saw s&w make some. Thing similer calle the bodygaurd
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Yes, the new Smitty has an integral laser I think too. But I havent actually had one in my had yet so cant add much more than that. Not sure if it is as small and trim as the LCP though.
As a newby to the concealed carry world it is very possible that you wont be able to choose the 'perfect' gun the first time. It takes some getting used to and your life style and style of dressing will effect what works best for you. I am a fairly big guy and carry a S&W MP .40c but when the weather gets warm I find it more of a challenge to conceal. I am going to check out that new bodyguard at some point.
I have a buddy that carries the LCP in a simple wallet type holster. I really like the simplicity of that. Easily concealed no matter what you wear.
I also like the glock solutions too as many have suggested already. If they fit your hand they are tough to beat and downright indestructible.
 
Man, I want a Glock 19 so bad. I have a Beretta 92FS, Colt Lawman MK II (357), Smith and Wesson 22A auto pistol, and Rossi snub nose 357. I have 4 handguns but my dream gun is a Glock 19. I have been wanting one of those pistols for 10 years now. I guess I am gonna have to figure out and save up some money and get one. I just have to have one. I think that is the perfect pistol.
 
ec9 said:
I had a CDP I had to run 800 rounds through before it didn't FTE at least once a mag. Let me rephrase Yes my Ed Brown was 100% out of the box and so was my TRP. But everything production has had issue beside my colt defender in 9mm. My Kobra was a custom and my TRP was hand fitted so therefor no issues. If someone wants to drop 1500-2500 on a 1911 yeah it will more than likely not have any issues. But you if you go to your local gun store and buy a Kimber be prepared to maybe get one that sucks. All my production 1911s are reliable *now* but they all have had about a 1000 rounds through them of costly 45 ammo :). I love the 1911 platform and ignore people who say its a old school. My main issue is with the quality control of these manufactures. hell my emp had issues untill i modified the mags; now no issue and 100%
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I went to a range today and broke a cherry on my brand spanking new .40cal SIG p229sas.
I shot 150 rounds of Wal-Mart’s Winchester ammo that all went like a knife in a butter. It's my second Sig, I used to have a 9mm before that I shot around 1000 rounds through without a single issue. I can see that one may encounter occasional problems with using cheap or reloaded ammo but if your new gun requires some "break in" to reliably function, I would consider something else. May be it’s just me spoiled by German technology.

Here is one of the better attempts for 12 round mag, slow fire from 8yds. A little sloppy I know, it should be improved with more pactice since I have not been shooting for 2 years.
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If you can find a Colt CCO, it is a perfect carry piece -at least for me.
It is an Officer's size frame with a Commander length slide. Perfect size and still packs a whole lotta punch. Deadly accurate as well, target shot at 10 yards.

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Wildone39 said:
Man, I want a Glock 19 so bad. I have a Beretta 92FS, Colt Lawman MK II (357), Smith and Wesson 22A auto pistol, and Rossi snub nose 357. I have 4 handguns but my dream gun is a Glock 19. I have been wanting one of those pistols for 10 years now. I guess I am gonna have to figure out and save up some money and get one. I just have to have one. I think that is the perfect pistol.
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Have you tried the 26 with Pierce extender? Nice piece :thumbup:
 
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