Please Enlighten Me

In all fairness, it should be noted that all the early Mountain Men, Trappers and Explorers usually carried but one knife. This usually being a large one, 7-8" range. Dating back to the French and Indian wars, 1750's. Some would get there hands on a light tomahawk. Thus, they did every thing with it. From skinning a buck to building a fire. We act like this is some new activity but in reality it's more like 270 years old. These men knew how to make do back then with what they had. My money's on they had no compunction toward malleting a blade thru wood or pelvis. DM
 
In all fairness, it should be noted that all the early Mountain Men, Trappers and Explorers usually carried but one knife. This usually being a large one, 7-8" range. Dating back to the French and Indian wars, 1750's. Some would get there hands on a light tomahawk. Thus, they did every thing with it. From skinning a buck to building a fire. We act like this is some new activity but in reality it's more like 270 years old. These men knew how to make do back them with what they had. My money's on they had no compunction toward malleting a blade thru wood or pelvis. DM

True, but whether it's centuries old usage or the advice of people like Les Stroud, or even the testimonials from dozens of knife-makers, it cannot compare to the cogent argument that doofy pictures put forth:

Forcing a knife through wood, or as some of you call it "baton"
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Yes, pictures can make light of a lot of things. But when the dust settles the activity they will still do and it's very old in the knife world. DM
 
I been trolling on this for awhile. This is a useful thing if used correctly. But alot of ppl as i have seen do this torture test crap... Makes perfect since to beat a perfectly good knife till it breaks.... :eek:
 
I guess the mountain dwelling people in the Philippines, who depend on their bolos BTW to do everything, have been doing it wrong all these years. I wonder how they managed to survive when were really wrong about how to use their knives...:p
 
In all fairness, it should be noted that all the early Mountain Men, Trappers and Explorers usually carried but one knife. This usually being a large one, 7-8" range. Dating back to the French and Indian wars, 1750's. Some would get there hands on a light tomahawk. Thus, they did every thing with it. From skinning a buck to building a fire. We act like this is some new activity but in reality it's more like 270 years old. These men knew how to make do back then with what they had. My money's on they had no compunction toward malleting a blade thru wood or pelvis. DM

Axes, hatchets, tomahawks, were more than prevalent during this time. Perhaps not as much for the 10,000 French troops coming to face 42,000 British soldiers and militias. From my knowledge flint and steel was the preferred method to carry on ones person, but this goes back to at least the Iron age. I have no doubt there's been some poor souls stuck in awful situations over the last couple hundred years that had to resort to using their knife to get more done than just a lighting a fire. A hunter or trapper with a flintlock and powder would be an even simpler source. This was until the advance of the match.

None of these knives broke (the first two pictures demonstrate the real danger of batonning...it can result in time travel ;)):

I know! 94' was a great year.

In 800,000 years of more than a few hominins controlling fire, only in the last 50,000 years have modern humans practiced ignition at will for fire. Although the oldest known bow drill bits are about 8,000 years old. The hand drill being one of the simplest methods goes back even further, but not much survives the millennia, soft woods and all. These were fashioned with stone tools easily and weighed less comparative to modern knives. Not as many take the time to master these skills.

The "baton" you speak of is still used by primates today. Seriously. It's not a complicated tool to use. Humans around 40,000 years ago lightened them up by making them out of antler and putting holes into it, similar to swedish arrows/atlatals. The namesake came from an earlier version associated with use, but is now referred to as bâton percé or roughly pierced baton. These tools also could have been used to straighten their arrows, but they were certainly shifted to make better use of leverage for efficiency in hunting.

I bring it up in that it has a lot to do with history, accessibility to elements, and if wet firewood was really that much of a survival issue, we wouldn't have made it this far as a species to a point of making fire in primitive inspired ways for learning and for fun. Splitting small wood for kindling will not provide you the proper technique for creating and controlling large fire for survival. The chances you will be able to perform even simple seeming tasks when under duress and anxiety will be difficult at best. It's a nice fantasy for a what if situation, but I won't be depending on my knife to split wood, I'll have much bigger problems to worry about. Survival fire size is something that should be discussed more in depth at that point, and largely determined by geolocation and weather. If you want to split wood with a knife, sharpened tuna can, whatever gets your kicks, have fun doing it and find what works best for you, but in todays world, it's much harder to beat the humble match or bic lighter.
 
Thats a Swamp rat Chopweiler, from the Busse family of blades.

Yep; correct. :thumbup::cool:

Hmmm, what does one run? I use a old-school buck 124 440c or 425m convex grind.

I think around $250.00 maybe more now because they're discontinued. This or a Ratweiler is a top notch beast of a knife and pretty much indestructible unless you're Cliffy Stampy or that hockey mask Noss guy. :rolleyes::foot:;):D :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
Some damn near unbreakable blades; a couple have been batonned for learning and educational purposes of course...

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Keepin' my 1311 minty for a rainy day LOL!

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Nice!! I also have a topps .170 ever used one? Or a buck 124?

Thanks and no I have not. Nice looking blades though and that 170 looks more than capable to handle anything you'd encounter in the field. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


On my last camping trip I had these with me; a small hatchet, 5" blade fixed blade & folding shovel. All bases covered IMHO.

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Doing this with a knife just seems dangerous to me. Not only that, this is why we sometimes see broken blades from improper battoning - knife hits the ground from failing to catch it properly. :(
 
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