Please help a complete newbie pick his first real/proper knife

I should have addressed this at the same time as J_Curd. I wasn't comparing them to a prybar, I was saying that per his requirements (crazy sharp, not overly large) the ZT line is a little overbuilt for his needs. I also thought you had mentioned the ZT300, not the 350 which is considerably lower priced. My apologies.



I'm not dictating, again, per his requirements I don't believe that a considerably large (wide) and overbuilt folder is correct. A Para, Caly3/ZDP, Leek/ZDP would be a better choice imo.

J_Curd believes for some reason that I am out to "get" and "disrespect" the entire lineup of Kershaw knives due to my opinions in a previous thread, thus the terse reply.


Which leads me to believe even more now that you didn't actually read my posts. Just saw Kershaw and ZT and instantly started bashing because it was being compared to a Spyderco.

I have said nothing bad about Spyderco or any of their knives. The Harpy and Captain are my 2 favorite Spyderco.
For edc, yes the 300 is over built. That thing is made for tough use.
The 0350, which I have already posted some of this, is not "overbuilt",
It has G10 scales and a liner lock. S30V blade with a DLC coating. The Para,
has G10 scales and a liner lock. Also has an S30V blade.
The Para has a blade length of 3 3/32" (81mm)
The 0350 has a blade length of 3-1/4 in (82.5mm)
The only difference between the 2 besides the DLC coating is blade and handle shape which accounts for the weight difference. Which is a little over 2oz. Para 3.75oz and 0350 at 5.8oz. (I was corrected earlier by harkamus. Thanks again.)

As per his requirements you keep repeating so much...
here they are again.
Considering this, the knife has to be :

-crazy sharp. This is an absolute must for me; as ridiculous as this may sound, a knife is supposed to cut stuff, and there's absolutely no way that the sharpness of the blade comes after anything.
-edge retention is important too, but i'd life either

*a very hard steel ( ZDP 189 comes to mind), that stays sharp very long. The sharpening is absolutely not a problem considering the fact that if the blade is actually tricky to sharpen, i'll make it sharpen by a professionnal once in a while.

*a reasonnably hard steel, that is both easy to sharpen and cut very well, even if the edge retention is not as good as harder steels. In that case i'll try to sharpen it myself.

-a folder knife, that feels and is very well built
-the size must be moderate ( although for this particular matter i'm way too much of a newbie to pop an actual lenght ). Let's say that the blade must be around 3"/8cm and i can go up to 4"/10cm
-the grip of the handle is not that important, although a nice looking handle is an obvious plus
-it must be easy to open, so either an assisted opening, or an automatic ( that are legal to buy where i live )
-finally, the budget is not really relevant, meaning i have not problem in putting 200/300$/€ if i think the knife is actually worth it, the exact same way that i have absolutely no problem with the idea of buying a knife cheap. No snobbery here, i want a tool that works very well, not an object to show off.

I felt the handle of the 0350 fit his requirements nicely. As did the Para.
There are a few others I wanted to mention but I guess it is not worth it any more.

If you don't want people to think you are out to "get" and "disrespect" the entire lineup of Kershaw knives don't bad mouth them when they are compared to a Spyderco product. It is comments and attitudes like yours and a few others on this forum that make me not want to re up in October.
 
This place seems to be turning into a Spyderco forum. Nothing against them, they make excellent knives.

But reading any "what knife should I pick thread" I notice 8 Spyderco recommendations for every 1 of anything else.
 
Could that be because they make an excellent product and have been doing so for longer than most?

This place seems to be turning into a Spyderco forum. Nothing against them, they make excellent knives.

But reading any "what knife should I pick thread" I notice 8 Spyderco recommendations for every 1 of anything else.
 
Which leads me to believe even more now that you didn't actually read my posts. Just saw Kershaw and ZT and instantly started bashing because it was being compared to a Spyderco.

I have said nothing bad about Spyderco or any of their knives. The Harpy and Captain are my 2 favorite Spyderco.
For edc, yes the 300 is over built. That thing is made for tough use.
The 0350, which I have already posted some of this, is not "overbuilt",
It has G10 scales and a liner lock. S30V blade with a DLC coating. The Para,
has G10 scales and a liner lock. Also has an S30V blade.
The Para has a blade length of 3 3/32" (81mm)
The 0350 has a blade length of 3-1/4 in (82.5mm)
The only difference between the 2 besides the DLC coating is blade and handle shape which accounts for the weight difference. Which is a little over 2oz. Para 3.75oz and 0350 at 5.8oz. (I was corrected earlier by harkamus. Thanks again.)

As per his requirements you keep repeating so much...
here they are again.


I felt the handle of the 0350 fit his requirements nicely. As did the Para.
There are a few others I wanted to mention but I guess it is not worth it any more.

If you don't want people to think you are out to "get" and "disrespect" the entire lineup of Kershaw knives don't bad mouth them when they are compared to a Spyderco product. It is comments and attitudes like yours and a few others on this forum that make me not want to re up in October.

First off, taking the specs straight from the horses mouth the 350 weighs in at 6.2oz. (http://kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=493&brand=zt). It's also considerably thicker the the para, the para isn't a liner lock, it has nested liners reducing weight and width.
I don't understand where this is coming from, I prefer one knife to another and suddenly it's disrespectful? Am I suddenly not allowed to have an opinion, which is what the OP asked for? If my "comments and attitudes" are making you lose that much sleep then maybe you need to get some thicker skin.

If you quoted his full post:

Hello there, my first post here :D

So here is the thing : until about a month ago, i, like 99% of the population, couldn't care less about knives and blades in general. My interest came out of the observation all the knives i own are pretty much as sharp as a bloody leaf.
So here i am : i want/need a good knife, but just one, at least for the moment. I have absolutely no interest in beginning a collection, and i just want something that works properly. I'll use the knife mostly for light jobs, like opening letters or boxes, cutting food and such. I don't know about you, but using the para to cut food, open letters or boxes, is much easier then with the obtuse tip on the ZT's. Light EDC use what not what the ZT's were designed for. You're talking about buying a tank to use as a city car.

Considering this, the knife has to be :

-crazy sharp. This is an absolute must for me; as ridiculous as this may sound, a knife is supposed to cut stuff, and there's absolutely no way that the sharpness of the blade comes after anything.
-edge retention is important too, but i'd life either

*a very hard steel ( ZDP 189 comes to mind), that stays sharp very long. The sharpening is absolutely not a problem considering the fact that if the blade is actually tricky to sharpen, i'll make it sharpen by a professionnal once in a while.

*a reasonnably hard steel, that is both easy to sharpen and cut very well, even if the edge retention is not as good as harder steels. In that case i'll try to sharpen it myself.

-a folder knife, that feels and is very well built
-the size must be moderate ( although for this particular matter i'm way too much of a newbie to pop an actual lenght ). Let's say that the blade must be around 3"/8cm and i can go up to 4"/10cm
-the grip of the handle is not that important, although a nice looking handle is an obvious plus
-it must be easy to open, so either an assisted opening, or an automatic ( that are legal to buy where i live )
-finally, the budget is not really relevant, meaning i have not problem in putting 200/300$/€ if i think the knife is actually worth it, the exact same way that i have absolutely no problem with the idea of buying a knife cheap. No snobbery here, i want a tool that works very well, not an object to show off.

Considering all that ( god, you're still reading ? :D:p ), and after some day of research ( keep in mind that until recently, my knowledge about knives was absolutely non existant, and it's not that easy to make yourself an idea of what's what, who's making proper stuff, who tends to make overpriced stuff etc ... ) 4 models come to mind, and i'd be ready to buy at least 2 of them with the feeling i'd do the right choice :

-Caly 3 - ZDP-189 : everything in this knife seems to match the idea of the the tool i need : the size, the sharpness, the build quality ... I think that would be my n°1 choice.
-Benchmade Torrent : i heard very good things about this knife as well. It seems it's actually way easier to sharpen than the spyderco. The build quality seems exellent as well.
-benchmade 760 lfti : i think it looks very nice, although i don't know what to think about that tanto blade in everyday use. I appears to be pretty big as well. The biggest upside would be for me the CPM-M4 steel, supposed to be both easy to sharpen, and keeping its sharpness pretty long.
-finally, considering that i could buy an automatic knife, i could get a benchmade 2550 mini reflex. I like this knife, but i don't think an auto knife would be useful to me.

So, and i'll finish with this ( finally, i know ! :D ) i don't want the perfect knife. I just, for this, like for all the stuff that i buy, like to think about what i'm doing, and to buy the right piece of material for the job.

So, what do you think ? :)

Notice the bolded portion.

I'm not "bashing" ZT when it's compared to Spyderco.

I prefer the blade on the Para to the thick recurve on the 3XX (and 2XX) series ZT knives. The ZT's are impractical for EDC use unless you're going to abuse the hell out of it, and then I'd rather get a $5 pocket pry bar then a $200 knife.

Preference and practicality. I wouldn't want a ZT20X/30X/350 as a letter opener.
 
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I second the ZT 0350 if that is the budget you want to spend. If not, there are quite a few nicer knives I listed that cost, well, quite a bit more. The ZT is the knife I EDC, and despite the 5.8 ounce weight (I weighed it; it's not 6.2), I often find myself placing my hand in my pocket to check that the knife is still clipped in and that I didn't drop it somewhere.

You are correct. I just copied the info off of ZT's page.

As for straight from the horses mouth reread the above quote.
I admitted the weight I posted was wrong. I weighed it my self on my postal scale and it is 5.8oz

Like I said you didn't read my posts.

As for not bashing the 0350...
You compared it to a $5 prybar and now you just called it a tank.


True the Para is not a "true" liner lock.
It is a Compression lock.
Nested into the G-10 scale is a top-seated Heavy duty rated Compression Lock. By inlaying (nesting) the lock we increase its strength without adding thick and bulky liners.
That came from Spyderco

You said yourself
It's also considerably thicker the the para, the para isn't a liner lock, it has nested liners reducing weight and width.

Preference and practicality. I wouldn't want a ZT20X/30X/350 as a letter opener.

I guess "liners" nestled in the g-10 scales are not really a liner lock.


BTW
Para blade thickness 5/32" (4 mm) from Spyderco
0350 blade thickness 4/32" I just measured the widest part on mine.

Opinions are one thing. Everyone is allowed to have them.
Facts are completely different.
Only people with knowledge have those.

Keep your opinions. I will stick with my facts.

J.W.
 
My experience with finding a "good" edc knife was like this:
First, I thought I wanted a "tough" knife. I got a big heavy folder (Spyderco Manix) and figured out that I hate carrying it because of the weight. Sold it.

Then, I got a little ergonomic knife (spyderco kiwi). It was easy to carry but bad for cutting food. I decided I want a longer blade. Sold.

Next, I got a lightweight, medium sized knife (Spyderco caly jr zdp). This knife was easy to carry, easy to use, and had great steel. unfortunately, I was afraid of using it because I am not very good at sharpening. If I messed up the edge, it would be a huge pain to fix it. I also did not like the wide short blade--when I cut food, I kept getting crumbs or juice into the pivot, which annoyed the heck out of me. The caly was riveted, so I couldnt take it apart to clean. Sold

Then I got a D2 millie. Awesome knife, but a bit too big and I always disliked the handle. I sold mine but will probably buy another for my hard use if I dont like the ZT i ordered.

Right now I have branched off into other brands--I recently got a kershaw skyline and benchmade 530, with a zt0200 (not for edc) set to arrive soon. All are great knives for different tastes, with the 530 as my current light edc.

I came to realize that, for a light use edc knife, ergonomics and blade steel are secondary to ease of carry and weight. The best knife for edc such as light use and food has a long, narrow blade with minimal "stuff" on the blade (no hole or thumbstud, etc) and screwed construction for easy cleaning. Keep the price low so you wont be afraid to use/lose it and you wont feel ridiculous when someone asks how much it cost. Get an easy-to-care-for steel so you will be able to maintain it yourself.

Perhaps most important of all, get a knife that looks good to you. Unlike other common tools where utility is most important, an edc knife is something more than just a tool.
 
One more recommendation:
Kershaw G-10 Tyrade
-4mm thick blade just shy of 4" in length
-Built like an Abrahms tank with G-10 slabs over 2mm thick hardened & skeletonized steel liners
-Beefy linerlock with strong engagement at radiused tang
-D2 edge welded to 154CM spine
-Robust tip
-can be had for around $85 online
-Made in USA with one of the best warranties in the business

K
 
I just want a blade that i can open in front of an old lady without her thinking "oh god, he's gonna cut me in half "

lol, too funny :D

Scanning the replies, there have been many great choices suggested- it's a blessing and a curse, so many knives, so little $$$ :) Most of the knives mentioned can be found at a fair price by watching the For Sale section. One other note: COnsider purchasing a Sharpmaker. They are very easy to use and capable of producing and maintaining a very sharp edge. Most Spydies come with a blade profile that match up nicely with the Sharpmaker (close enough anyway), so reprofiling a hard metal isn't an issue.

That said, my selection would be a 960-801 (LE, no longer available at REI, watch secondary markets). I kind of kick myself for not buying one of these when they were on sale, 3,15" CPM-M4 blade, just a tad over 2 Oz in weight, so very light and thin. If you can find one, it's worthy of consideration.

Stretch 2 in CF ZDP, or watch for the soon to be released FRN-ZDP models. Have a CF Stretch in pocket now, great knife; every once in a while you pick up and use a knife that really doesn't want to be put back in your pocket, this one does that for me. It is just a tad larger than the Caly, but has a more cutting surface (around 1/2 inch I think). The peel-ply CF has a nice, grippy texture, good stuff.

The Caly 3 ZDP is a knife that, based on reviews, you'd be pleased with. I chose a Stretch over the Caly, prefered the larger cutting surface.

CF Sage is a great value and very nice knife, many people have a hard time deciding between the Caly and Sage. S30V + Sharpmaker = years of knife bliss :)

ZDP Endura- fairly easy to find, and a good value.

Another thing: Any of the above mentioned knives would be fairly easy to resell, something to consider if you buy one and it isn't quite what you expected. So many choices it's tough to choose, it is likely you will end up with several- have fun choosing:)

Edit PS: Just noted the post referencing the S60V Blur Blems- excellent value at $52, hard to go wrong.
 
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Benchmade mini Grip or Spyderco Delica. Both great knives, and examples of the fine craftsmanship that BM and Spyderco produce. Simple designs too, easy to maintain.
 
You might check out the CRKT Summa.
A lot less expensive.

The larger Summa™ is a sleek, full-size folder with a 3.75” drop point blade of 8Cr14MoV stainless steel with a very high hollow grind. The Razor-Sharp model 1165 has a satin finished blade, while the Summa™ T 1166K offers tactical black oxide coating for maximum corrosion resistance, with our exclusive combination Veff™ Serrations. For fast either-hand opening, just press the flipper.

Both Summa models feature an open InterFrame build with stainless steel liners, hand-shaped black and blue layered polished Micarta scales, and a rigid Zytel® back spacer. The liners and custom removable stainless steel clip receive a blue titanium nitride coating, for an effect that is cool and understated.
 
Heck, we don't have to agree on a particular brand. Even fans of a given brand argue amongst themselves. After all, how many Miltitary vs Paramilitary threads have you seen?
 
Well, i have to say i'm kind of confused : i see tons of you guys are recommmanding me to sharpen my knife myself, and at the same time, a lot of you recommand zdp 189 knives, whitch is supposed to be a major pain in the ass to sharpen. Considering that i've never done that in my life, wouldn't a softer steel be a better choice ? It may not hold the edge as long, but if i can't sharpen the übersteel and get it very sharp, i don't really see the point.
I guess i'd rather have a blade that may not hold the edge as good as other steels, but that i can get razor sharp no problem, rather than having a blade that hold the edge forever, but that is extremely difficult to sharpen (especially for someone like me ).
 
Most people don't have too many issues sharpening 154cm and S30V can be relatively easy to sharpen depending on the grind (the same can be said for most steels, though). The cpm versions of D2 and 154cm are nice, too. Don't recommend D2 in general, since only a few makers seem to get it right.

I'd say look at the Ritter Griptillians, the Benchmade HK line 14205 and 14210, the new Spyderco Manix 2.

I've got versions of the Ritter Grips and would suggest the Mini for EDC. I have given a 14205 as a gift and the owner likes it well. As to the Manix 2, it is a new design, but I have the P'Kal with the same lock and the lock seems livable.

The locks are reliable, easily manipulated, and the companies are well respected for the most part.

I'd throw in some Kershaw models, but they tend to have funky bladeshapes that aren't that convenient to sharpen, the AO feature, or they offer liner-lock knives - I don't recommend liner-lock knives to anyone anymore as these locks fail too often.

Really, just look for a basic design with a decent lock from a good maker - you'll see something decent, I'm sure.
 
Bottom line is if you plan to carry and use a knife then you'd better learn to sharpen it. No steel will stay sharp forever. Super steels like ZDP and S30V stay sharper for longer because they are harder.

But by the same token, this makes them harder to sharpen than the softer steels.

The trick with these steels is to keep them sharp by touching the blade up on a regular basis.

When you order your knife, get a Sharpmaker at the same time. Its a great investment and can be used to sharpen ANY knife and most edged tools.

It comes with an instruction video that makes it pretty easy to figure out what needs to be done.

If you want a steel that is relatively easy to sharpen, and will hold an edge well, consider a knife in 154CM or VG-10. These are both excellent steels that are relatively easy to sharpen.

VG-10 is more stainless though. Its a great steel for someone just getting into knives. You can always upgrade to S30V or ZDP-189 later.

Well, i have to say i'm kind of confused : i see tons of you guys are recommmanding me to sharpen my knife myself, and at the same time, a lot of you recommand zdp 189 knives, whitch is supposed to be a major pain in the ass to sharpen. Considering that i've never done that in my life, wouldn't a softer steel be a better choice ? It may not hold the edge as long, but if i can't sharpen the übersteel and get it very sharp, i don't really see the point.
I guess i'd rather have a blade that may not hold the edge as good as other steels, but that i can get razor sharp no problem, rather than having a blade that hold the edge forever, but that is extremely difficult to sharpen (especially for someone like me ).
 
Allow me to bump this thread, in order not to create an other one.

After 1 month of thorough lurking, i've pretty much settled on a military. The thing is, since it'll be my first actual knife i want to do it right, and get the s90v version. Is there any place that still sell them brand new ( and ship worldwide ) or am i condemned to try to find one pre owned ?

Edit : Well, s90v seems very tough to work with, so s30v millie it is :thumbup:. Thanks for the advices :)
 
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I got a CPM-D2 para recently, and I love it! compression lock is strong and easy to use (for me at least), good size for EDC, not too big, not to small, great ergos, and the thin tip is great, and I find it better for light EDC use than the tip on my Grip. The D2 also stays sharp longer than the 154CM on my grip.

The military is widely regarded as a great, though large knife. be sure to keep this in mind, as it is kind of scary looking to the sheeple. I wish spyderco would do a comp. lock on the military, the liner lock is the only turn-off on that knife for me, I just don't like my fingers in the blade path when unlocking, even though I never cut myself this way.

also, the black blade with digicam scales is sex.
 
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