plotting to survive...

[d_filgate]

...as to no electricity here - that sounds like a good thing to this vector, but i seriously doubt we will be without electricity here, and if it is interrupted, it won't be for long anyways.

...if there is a flare even that takes out electronics, especially all the shileded ones here on the bases and other places, we have worse things to worry about, if we are still alive from all those rads.

Regarding the issues with electricity, a full on solar flare would cause
a lot of damage to key transformers in the U.S. power grid, which
according to the story that Dawsonbob linked to in his post
http://www.newscientist.com/article...rt-90-seconds-from-catastrophe.html?full=true

And, by doing some further searching, I came upon this report on the
website of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
http://www.issues.org/20.4/apt.html

When you take the first story and the NAS report together, it provides a
revealing and "negative" glimpse into the state of the electric
power grids in the United States.

If a solar flare took down the U.S. (and Canadian power grids, as they are
interlinked), the repair time would not be days, or months, but "years".

 

[vector001]

If a solar flare took down the U.S. (and Canadian power grids, as they are
interlinked), the repair time would not be days, or months, but "years".

even if that is accurate, there are other ways of getting electricity quickly from ground-up situations, especially with all the refined alloys that would be laying about in the modern world. - to heck with the Grid, as far as i am concerned. i can certainly appreciate other folks not feeling that way, but i have taken steps to make sure me and mine don't share their fate, as much as is possible. i'm thinkng there will be a lot more justice in a future like that for folks that know how to think and work and be a good neighbor.

i'm thinking we need a good disaster like the one described just so infratructure can be re-vamped out of necessity, since the temerity of our people prevents real progress in the absence of collapse.

we shall have to wait and see. i'm willing to give it a shot.

'hope there are zombies. :thumbup:

vec

 

[d_filgate]

even if that is accurate, there are other ways of getting electricity quickly from ground-up situations, especially with all the refined alloys that would be laying about in the modern world.

Absolutely correct with that statement Vector!
There are so many "alternate" methods of generating electricity out there
today. The only issue would be that it wouldn't be as widespread as the
current power grid, but in the event of a continental crisis like the loss
of the power grid, I can see a lot of emphasis being very quickly placed on
alternate energy producers like solar, wind, water....etc....
Still, it would take quite awhile to put that into effect.

- to heck with the Grid, as far as i am concerned. i can certainly appreciate other folks not feeling that way, but i have taken steps to make sure me and mine don't share their fate, as much as is possible. i'm thinkng there will be a lot more justice in a future like that for folks that know how to think and work and be a good neighbor.

Agree with you again on that. It'll have to be a pull together or perish
type of situation.
Those that adopt a selfish, power grabbing attitude will be weeded out in
short order.
The way I see it, there will be two camps. Those that try to rebuild society
in close to the same vein that it is now, and those that become animals.

i'm thinking we need a good disaster like the one described just so infratructure can be re-vamped out of necessity, since the temerity of our people prevents real progress in the absence of collapse.
vec

Absolutely! Real progress has always come from necessity.
The way I see it now, our society has become an engineering miracle.
We have refined things to exquisite detail, but really haven't come up
with any real advances in a long time.

This is starting to veer away from the OP's thread though, so to bring it
back, I would say that hunkering in is far preferable than bugging out
in my book, SHORT TERM.
This year, I've started preparing for survival situations in a big way.
While I was still working, I went out and started fishing again, after 35
years of not doing it, and have sort of reclaimed my appreciation for being
outdoors. As well, I went out and got myself a shotgun. First firearm I've
had since I was a kid with a .22. As well, I was very lucky to get a hunting
bow from a fellow BF member.
Not exactly stellar preparation, but I can fish, I have the ability to procure
game if needed as well as have a level of home defense that I didn't have before.
I purchased a gas generator for short term power if needed, and bought a
large tent trailer from my son-in-law. All I have to do is hook it up to the
truck, pack things up and head for the hills if needed.
However, I'm nice and set short term right where I am.

Cheers

 

[99f250]

I like these threads cause it makes me take action instead of just thinking about it, I live in a small town of about 4500 people and half are college students that would run home at first sign of trouble, I,m not worried about flood, the town is a higher elevation then most of the rest of the state and I live on a hill, hurricanes don't reach us with any force and the last time we had a tornado was in 1964, It wouldn't really bother me if the power went out for a while since I have a small gen. to run the fridge till the food in it ran out or to run the washer or even the stove, I,ve got a kerosene heater with a months worth of fuel and a propane heater with the same, which I could stretch even longer, then there's always the wood burner, food and water for a month now, every time I go shopping I add a little more. And a few weapons with plenty of ammo to defend it all with, all in a room with concrete walls and ceiling, I can't really think of a scenario where I would want to leave, nuke? where would you go to run from that, bio hazard, if staying inside with windows shut wasn't good enough I guess we would leave, but where? probably wouldn't just be a local problem. Most of the people around me are middle to upper middle class, so I don't think rioting would be so bad, though I could be wrong. (see above weapons with plenty of ammo) would probably try to organize the neighbors, there's safety in numbers, water for long term would be the biggest challenge, but there is a natural spring about a mile from here. My next thing to add to the hidey room as we call it is a well stocked first aid kit with a month worth of meds and antibiotics. I keep thinking about different scenarios and adding as needed, I learn so much just from reading here.

 

[vector001]

I can't really think of a scenario where I would want to leave, nuke? where would you go to run from that, bio hazard, if staying inside with windows shut wasn't good enough I guess we would leave, but where?

you might want to check out HEPA filter solutions for your biological sscenario, amongst others.

tactical nukes are the most likely now, so there wouldn't be that many likely if it came to that. same with air-delivered bio-weapons.

so, as you asked, where would you go?

well, if you stipulate that you can stay (personally, individually) isolated from fall-out, chemicals, and biological anti-personnel weapons, you'd move to clear the affected area first (- which means out of the wind stream, for us here that is likely out to sea, west - that is not a problem.), then you'd want to avoid refugees, because they will be 100% contaminated, and don't allow yourself to be put in a refugeee camp, because you will die there, most likely.

there are many factors that affect when you would decide to displace from your clean area in the first place, if you are capable and fortunate enough to have maintained one or know someone who can accomodate you in theirs;

you would want to calculate what the fall-out was doing - if there was a windstorm for instance, right after an effective strike, then the exposure rate in your vicinity might be lower at Ground Zero than some place that you run to, etc., where the bulk of the fall-out has drifted to.

there are a lot of crusty old farts out there that know a lot about NBC Warfare that will probably be barking orders at strangers - best practices would probably be to look for and listen to them when the balloon goes up, if you aren't one yourself, and if you are, cooperate.

just some thoughts.

HTH.

vec

 

[99f250]

you might want to check out HEPA filter solutions for your biological sscenario, amongst others.

tactical nukes are the most likely now, so there wouldn't be that many likely if it came to that. same with air-delivered bio-weapons.

so, as you asked, where would you go?

well, if you stipulate that you can stay (personally, individually) isolated from fall-out, chemicals, and biological anti-personnel weapons, you'd move to clear the affected area first (- which means out of the wind stream, for us here that is likely out to sea, west - that is not a problem.), then you'd want to avoid refugees, because they will be 100% contaminated, and don't allow yourself to be put in a refugeee camp, because you will die there, most likely.

there are many factors that affect when you would decide to displace from your clean area in the first place, if you are capable and fortunate enough to have maintained one or know someone who can accomodate you in theirs;

you would want to calculate what the fall-out was doing - if there was a windstorm for instance, right after an effective strike, then the exposure rate in your vicinity might be lower at Ground Zero than some place that you run to, etc., where the bulk of the fall-out has drifted to.

there are a lot of crusty old farts out there that know a lot about NBC Warfare that will probably be barking orders at strangers - best practices would probably be to look for and listen to them when the balloon goes up, if you aren't one yourself, and if you are, cooperate.

just some thoughts.

HTH.

vec

That's good advice to be considered, thanks

 

[Tballetta]

Each of us already have the best survival setup. YOUR HOME! Stock it properly and be prepared to defend it if necessary.

STAY HOME!

 

[kycolonel]

Great thread. In my own case I have the option of either home or a remote farm with wooded and tillable acreage, a pond and a cabin. After much research and thought, I am currently leaning towards staying in my suburban home for at least 3 months following a disaster. This unless there is some biological or government threat that would cause me to bug out. While it doesn't make sense to some, there are a few realities about a remote base that make it high risk. First, it would take a platoon to guard the property from a 24/7 (easy) sniper attack. I think this would be true for almost any established supply camp in the wilderness. Second is the "enemy you know" principle- I know the people around my suburban home and their general capabilities for preparedness and as a threat. Third and sad as it is, there are a lot easier targets for looters and marauders than my place, and it would take a while to get them all before getting to me (in theory anyway). Of course, this all depends on where you live and how long it might take before any threatening groups who will risk being shot by attacking that last couple of defended homes, versus moving to the next neighborood where they can likely go in uncontested.