PM2 - tip up or tip down?

[@LeathermanGX]

Every knife company should give the option of a reversible pocket clip in every model of their folding knives with a clip.

Tip up carry is always better than tip down. It is not a matter of opinion, it is simple truth.

No its an opinion. Exactly how do you validate your truth

 

[Knifein]

Why is TU better?^

No its an opinion. Exactly how do you validate your truth

It's fact pure and simple.

1) Because it's easier and faster to deploy your knife

2) Because you are less prone to cut your fingers when you are reaching into your pocket since the blade is facing away from your hand and trapped by the back part of your pocket to prevent it from opening.

3) Because the strong majority of knife nuts prefer it that way. If you do not prefer it that way, you either have no common sense or simply have a bad and inefficient habit of carrying your knife the wrong way and need to correct yourself.

 

[@LeathermanGX]

1) Delusional

2) opinion

3) Wrong. There would be no tip down only Knives on the market if that were true.

 

[Knifein]

1) Delusional

2) opinion

3) Wrong. There would be no tip down only Knives on the market if that were true.

No matter what you say or think you are 100% WRONG on this subject. And by the way tip down only knives are almost obsolete. Now a days manufacturers are making them reversible or tip up only. And for good reason.

 

[@LeathermanGX]

You're wrong because Military! Bam.....

 

[Knifein]

You're wrong because Military! Bam.....

Ever notice how many people are choosing to buy the PM2 over the Military? And besides I can name you about 3,000 other different knives that are all tip up or have the option for tip up.

 

[nccole]

Not that his opinion is any more than just that, but the Military 2 will have a four way clip option. And yes, my opinion is that Military is much better tip up!

 

[u812]

All my knives are tip up. I have not bought knives before because of tip down only.

 

[bdmicarta]

It's fact pure and simple.

1) Because it's easier and faster to deploy your knife

2) Because you are less prone to cut your fingers when you are reaching into your pocket since the blade is facing away from your hand and trapped by the back part of your pocket to prevent it from opening.

3) Because the strong majority of knife nuts prefer it that way. If you do not prefer it that way, you either have no common sense or simply have a bad and inefficient habit of carrying your knife the wrong way and need to correct yourself.

This response is for strong side front pocket carry only. There is good evidence that more knife enthusiasts prefer tip up, I have no idea about the general public but I would guess that they don't think about it.. There are reasons for tip up, and a lot of people state these reasons to support their choice including safety. There are some people that admit the advantages of tip down but still prefer tip up. A person is free to choose what they like.

I have 12 knives in my EDC rotation right now- 6 of them are tip up, 6 of them are tip down. 4 of them give the choice of up or down- 2 of them came from the factory tip up and 2 of them came tip down. On weekends I usually carry a knife that is not in my EDC rotation and it is almost always a tip up knife. So even though I have my preference, I will carry either one.

But it is easy to prove that tip down is easier and faster to deploy for any knife significantly longer than a Delica. For a Delica size knife it is either a draw or maybe even faster for the tip up. Read the above paragraph- I carry more days tip up than I do tip down and I repeatedly prove to myself which one is faster.

 

[RayseM]

Dunno about good but here's one I made a while ago.

Thanks for the show. I can do that pretty well with a longer knife - Endura or the like, but anything smaller and I just fumble it.
I still prefer TU. Just my choice.

 

[Kurniadion]

I personally can adjust. I've used tip up, tip down and reversed tip up for martial arts application with some Spydies.

You have summarized it well actually. Tip up is faster, tip down is safer.

The key is what serves your purpose best I think. What's right for most may not be the best for you.
Spyderco gives us the option us for this.

 

[Kurniadion]

I personally can adjust. I've used tip up, tip down and reversed tip up for martial arts application with some Spydies.

You have summarized it well actually. Tip up is faster, tip down is safer.

The key is what serves your purpose best I think. What's right for most may not be the best for you.
Spyderco gives us the option us for this.

 

[singularity35]

I wonder why it's so important for some people to like what they themselves like....

 

[MobileFireLord]

Isn't tip up carry suited for Emerson wave and some flipper opener? I don't think it matters much for thumb stud / Spydie hole.

I feel I like tip up as I rest my ring finger and pinky rest on the edge of knife clip. Otherwise, it don't bother me much.

 

[Capt. Spaulding]

I personally can adjust. I've used tip up, tip down and reversed tip up for martial arts application with some Spydies.

You have summarized it well actually. Tip up is faster, tip down is safer.

The key is what serves your purpose best I think. What's right for most may not be the best for you.
Spyderco gives us the option us for this.

How can you say one is safer than the other. Both tip up or tip down can be equally safe when positioning the blade wedged against the seam of your pocket. It does not matter if it is tip up or tip down in that case. If the blade is facing the inside of the pocket tip up and tip down both have safety issues equally. Its either the potential of getting cut putting your hand in your pocket or pulling it out. Again both are equally dangerous in this case.

 

[Law of Thirds]

Weak side, tip up. Dunno if mostly ambi on the right qualifies as weak side though.

Tip down is spyderdrop capable but... man it just feels like I'm putting on a show and I can either flick with middle finger easily or open slowly with two hands (watch the reactions of "whip it out quick" vs open like your grandfather, it's interesting) depending on need/surroundings with tip up.

No bashing of the tip down folks here. I have a little scar from a tip down though opening in pants on my thigh, but if it works for you, go for it.

 

[Lycosa]

You say tomayto, I sat tomahto...
Goodgwad!! Clip this!!

 

[salehonasi]

It's fact pure and simple.

1) Because it's easier and faster to deploy your knife

2) Because you are less prone to cut your fingers when you are reaching into your pocket since the blade is facing away from your hand and trapped by the back part of your pocket to prevent it from opening.

3) Because the strong majority of knife nuts prefer it that way. If you do not prefer it that way, you either have no common sense or simply have a bad and inefficient habit of carrying your knife the wrong way and need to correct yourself.

Point 1 is opinion/personal preference. Speed is very, very close, but I was playing around with my PM2 in both positions, and I can definitely open it faster tip-down (spydie drop vs. middle finger flick). In point 3, you mention that one might have a bad habit - but one could also make the argument that people with tip-up are only able to open theirs faster because they're used to it. This is also a discussion of the PM2 in specific - certain knives I can definitely open faster in tip-up, but here tip-down is faster. You need to try both ways on each knife (if possible) before you can make an informed judgement. Plus, different sized hands, etc. You can't just assume your exact circumstances and preference must be universally right for people with different hand sizes.

Point 2 has merit, but is situational. Tip up carry, pushed to the back of your pocket, will trap the blade there, but tip-down turns the point of the blade away from your hand, so if it did manage to open (maybe you don't like it pushed back in your pocket), you can't stab yourself with the point.

Point 3. If a majority opinion is indicative of fact, we're all wrong for carrying a knife in the first place. Majority preference only shows what the majority prefer - while it can be indicative, you need to break down WHY people like it for actual reasons.

Long story short, I still think it's a hilariously small difference, but I don't think you can throw that out as a fact. Neither carry method can be objectively said to be universally better, only what works best for us personally - both have pros and cons, and it depends which are important to you. For example, I actually carry my waved knives "backwards" with the clip in the left-hand position on my right side, because I like that I'll never need to check behind me in a crowd before drawing a knife, even though it's ever so slightly slower that way.

 

[delphidoc]

Mama says tip-down is from the devil

 

[@LeathermanGX]

That's funny because all Spyderco and all Benchmades were tip down in the beginning.