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Hey guys. I really like the new Police model but am not really a fan of VG-10. Any rumors of if they will ever release it in CMP-S30V or something similiar?
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I've almost bought one a dozen times, as the design reminds me a lot of the Military and thus should be an incredible folder.
That brings up the problem of it being too similar to the Military, which I already have three of, and one in CPM S90V. So unless we see a Police 3 in ZDP-189 I probably wouldn't carry it that much.
VG-10 is perfectly suited for a good all around use folder like the Police 3. If you're not a steel snob it is one of the better steel types out there (even if you are a steel snob it's pretty good).
That brings up the problem of it being too similar to the Military, which I already have three of, and one in CPM S90V. So unless we see a Police 3 in ZDP-189 I probably wouldn't carry it that much.
VG-10 is perfectly suited for a good all around use folder like the Police 3. If you're not a steel snob it is one of the better steel types out there (even if you are a steel snob it's pretty good).
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Yea, I've been on the fence for a while. I may just buy one and buy another if they release it in ZDP-189...... Don't tell my wife I said that.
I would of been a lot more excited about this, the Pheonix, the Rocklobster etc. if they weren't in VG10. VG10 is a great overall steel, but if I can get ZDP189 in a 60$ knife (Calypso and Endura), I feel weird spending 120$ for a piece of VG10. Even if it raises the price another 20 or 30$ I'd much rather have the ZDP189.
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It's just too bad most people think the other way around (would rather save money and use lesser steel).
30$ might seem like a lot of extra money to initially pay just for a better steel, but if you EDC that knife even for just 1 year, that's a little over 2 dollars per month. If you EDC the knife for the 10-20 years it could easily last you're gonna be looking at pennies.
I can understand why Spyderco uses VG10 so widely considering peoples outlook on the issue. I doubt there are many who would want to pay 80$ - 100$ for a ZDP189 Spin, but I would.
Regardless, it could be a lot worse than VG10. It's still a serviceable steel, I'm just spoiled by higher wear resistant steels.
I can understand why Spyderco uses VG10 so widely considering peoples outlook on the issue. I doubt there are many who would want to pay 80$ - 100$ for a ZDP189 Spin, but I would.
Regardless, it could be a lot worse than VG10. It's still a serviceable steel, I'm just spoiled by higher wear resistant steels.
1. the VG-10 in the Police as well as all knives I have with it, is fine, takes a great edge and holds through most everyday cutting chores.
2. I have both the Police 3 and several Military Models and they are not so much like eat other, the Police 3 is thinner and a little longer, I must say I think it carries better than the Military and feels just as light. There is enough difference between them that you will be glad you have both.
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2. I have both the Police 3 and several Military Models and they are not so much like eat other, the Police 3 is thinner and a little longer, I must say I think it carries better than the Military and feels just as light. There is enough difference between them that you will be glad you have both.
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VG-10 is excellent steel. You all are just spoiled rotten.
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Different strokes for different folks.
Even if I carried my VG-10 Stretch exclusively for the next twenty years, touched it up once a month "need it or not", and sharpened it more heavily on those rare occasions I used it enough to actually dull it, it would still have plenty of life left in it. If I carried the ZDP one instead, I could touch up less often, and sharpen less often, but it would take me longer each time. That's not something I'm thrilled to pay extra for. On the other hand, I value esthetics a lot more than performance potential I will never use. So I'd be far happier to pay $100 to $150 more for a Stretch in Odin's Eye Damasteel than $20 to $30 more for ZDP-189.
IMHO, most folks - even most of those here - are more likely to lose a pocket knife, either on their own or with the help of an LEO, or break it doing something stupid, than wear it out. They don't go around looking for things to slice, dice, slash, hack, or stab. They cut things when and if they need to, which is generally not terribly often. Their folding knives spend a lot more time in their pocket and on their nightstand, than in hand.
As for the relative merits of VG-10 and S30V, all other things being equal, I'll take VG-10. It seems to hold and edge about as well and is easier to sharpen. But, as with most things in life, YMMV.
The Police III is a beauty, too big for me, but a great knife for those wanting a 4"+ bladed slicing machine.
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Even if I carried my VG-10 Stretch exclusively for the next twenty years, touched it up once a month "need it or not", and sharpened it more heavily on those rare occasions I used it enough to actually dull it, it would still have plenty of life left in it. If I carried the ZDP one instead, I could touch up less often, and sharpen less often, but it would take me longer each time. That's not something I'm thrilled to pay extra for. On the other hand, I value esthetics a lot more than performance potential I will never use. So I'd be far happier to pay $100 to $150 more for a Stretch in Odin's Eye Damasteel than $20 to $30 more for ZDP-189.
IMHO, most folks - even most of those here - are more likely to lose a pocket knife, either on their own or with the help of an LEO, or break it doing something stupid, than wear it out. They don't go around looking for things to slice, dice, slash, hack, or stab. They cut things when and if they need to, which is generally not terribly often. Their folding knives spend a lot more time in their pocket and on their nightstand, than in hand.
As for the relative merits of VG-10 and S30V, all other things being equal, I'll take VG-10. It seems to hold and edge about as well and is easier to sharpen. But, as with most things in life, YMMV.
The Police III is a beauty, too big for me, but a great knife for those wanting a 4"+ bladed slicing machine.
Paul
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Different strokes indeed. I couldn't imagine waiting a whole month to sharpen my knife. I sharpen my EDC every day it's used once I'm home for the night.
FWIW I timed myself last time I touched up my ZDP189 Caly Jr and it took me less than 30 seconds to go from "will not scrape arm hair" to "will pop arm hairs while laughing at them." Then again my edge bevel goes past the hamon line it's been taken so thin. But that's why I like ZDP189 so much, it's done very well for me at the ridiculous angles I like to take my Spydercos to.
I've got some great VG10 folders I'll trade you if you feel compelled to rid yourself of the ZDP Stretch someday
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Because form follows function. The full grind is simply a better slicer, and now because it's longer, the police, using a police model, can reach your internal organs more easily. Ok?
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well, i know more than a few cops who carry an older spydie police. damn near every one of them has a broken tip. why? because cops do things with their knives most people wouldn't, pry doors/windows, as a screwdriver, etc.
the new p3's tip makes it more durable and able to withstand more "abuse".
I think it's also worth pointing out that the Police 3 isn't just some random amount longer than the previous one, the edge length is exactly four inches (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=358). Theoretically that could keep it legal in a lot of places if you count edge length rather than how much steel sticks out of the handle.
This isn't just some sneaky little workaround either. With so many designs out there that use part of the blade in the handle design it's almost becoming standard to count actual edge length. I almost wonder if the new Barong is just a test to see how many jurisdictions count it as having more than three inches of blade (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=363).
I would have quoted jeepin, but I think that would have constituted excessive quoting.
This isn't just some sneaky little workaround either. With so many designs out there that use part of the blade in the handle design it's almost becoming standard to count actual edge length. I almost wonder if the new Barong is just a test to see how many jurisdictions count it as having more than three inches of blade (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=363).
I would have quoted jeepin, but I think that would have constituted excessive quoting.