Poncho functionality

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I didn't want to hijack the other thread as it's mostly on which specific poncho to get. I was wondering if you guys could tell me the pros and cons of them. A while back I mentioned it in passing to my army buddy that I was thinking of getting one and he seemed to hate them. I can't seem to recall why or if he even said why at the time. So is there something about them that sucks? What's great about them? I'd like to keep away from the "you can use it as a shelter too" as I live in Oregon and while that's a great idea, I just see myself getting soaked through trying to setup a shelter with the poncho I just took off.:D
 
My .02 - they're fine in a pinch, if that's all you've got. I know many people rave about the "double functionality" of a poncho (rain gear and shelter), but in my experience, it's a lot like most things that try to be two different things; the compromise results in mediocrity on both fronts. It's not great rain gear, and it's not great shelter - at least not for anything extended. Unless, as I said above, it's all you've got.

So as something to throw in your pack for a day hike, where there might be some chance of precip? Sure, why not. But for anything more extended than that, I'd rather have good rain gear and a real tarp, for a few ounces more. Some of that may also be a function of what part of the country you're in, though.
 
cons:

- there's no pit zips or easy way to vent so i can prevent myself from sweating while hiking.
- flops around too much and getting caught in thorns, branches, etc. while bushwacking. it just feels like wearing clothes that are 3 sizes too big.
- if i take a break and sit on a log then that poncho is touching the muddy ground and it'll eventually get all over my pants.

i tried to like my o.p.s.e.c poncho but the cons outweighed the pros too much...i'd rather bring a dedicated rain shell, lightweight pack cover and a lightweight 5'x7' tarp for emergency shelter.
 
pros:
-Since a true poncho has no sleeves, it doesn't need pit zips for ventilation.
-As a quick shelter from rain they are great. When you sit during a break, "hike your skirts" so it doesn't land in mud, get stepped on or bind in the back. Drape it over your legs to keep them dry while you rest. You can even pull your head inside and retreat entirely without having to actually erect a shelter from it.
cons:
-Rain runs down it onto your legs.
-Most are dangerous around a fire (and are easily holed from sparks), and very dangerous around water (as in boats like my canoe).

I have several mil-surp ponchos and sometimes carry one. I keep one of the cheapie clear vinyl ones NIP in my drybox for a loaner or in case I am caught out without my rain jacket. For my use in the canoe, the rain jacket is safer with less danger of entrapment in an upset. And it still lets me cover my legs and lap when I sit. I also keep a repurposed tent fly in my drybox for an impromptu rain shelter.
 
Another con:

Guess how effective one is when its raining and windy.

That said, I used to use a cagoule quite a bit, and I'm surprised that they have fallen out of favor and gotten so hard to find. While you can't make a tarp out of it, it is a far more functional and effective single piece of rain gear than a poncho is, imo.
 
-Since a true poncho has no sleeves, it doesn't need pit zips for ventilation.

i have a true poncho. the excess material folds over and covers what little ventilation it has unless i hike with my arms outstretched like i'm nailed on a cross...except for heavy wind, rain coming straight down i can open up my rain shell almost all the way for great ventilation.

with a trekking pole on one hand and a dslr tucked inside my rain shell/on my other hand, my hands are busy...tucking the poncho's skirt is just another un-needed hassle.

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Most multipurpose gear people take backpacking is a compromise. If you do not look at the multipurpose properties of the item then it is not really a contest imho.

Rain pants + rain jacket + brimmed hat + rubber boots> poncho
Tent > poncho or tarp shelter
Tarp about equal to poncho

Poncho pros
-multipurpose
-lightweight, though this might only apply if you are using it in a multipurpose role
-can cover a pack
-low cost

cons
-not form fitting --> wind will make them flap around and doing work in the rain will cause your arms and feet to get wet.
-truly waterproof gear does not breath.
 
Here are some photos of my Golite poncho in action. I wasn't always a fan of the poncho but the UL ones changed that for me. I agree with many of the pros and cons posted within this thread. If you're going to use a poncho for rain gear my advice is to pack rain pants and not have a shirt that wicks water up the sleeves. A few times my poncho saved me from an unexpected nasty cold wet hike as even without rain pants it provides a great deal of protection from changing weather. If I was ever in one of those fake survival situations, yea know the ones that don't involve injury or real discomfort a knife, poncho and firesteel would be on the top of any fantasy gear list.

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Makes for a great pack cover. Not sure if anyone added that to the list.

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My poncho gets used for unplanned rain, wind break for fire or even at football games, sun shelter for break, and a privacy screen for the ladies for off trail peeing. I used mine while wearing it once to go off trail and take a dump- flip the skirts up onto a couple of small bushes and you have a mini tent.

They are pretty cheap, take up little space, have built in grommets...just useful.

I did see a small clip once where a guy rigged it into a rain shelter without taking it off... a little cumbersome- he tied long pieces of para to bush limbs and grommets, sat on a rock and pulled all four cords- that lifted the poncho off and over him.

Bill
 
They aren't a great deal of use to me. I did take one out last year of the year before, but that was about nostalgia, nothing practical. Having been through a few over the years I can say that the most rubbish built one I've had is also the most useful, and is the only one I still have. Better builds in lighter more flexible materials that pack better have proved to a] be less resistant to water pressure and puncture readily, b] flap about even worse when you try to walk in them, c] still feel like the rain is beating down on me...............................The one I retain has usefulness in that if the goal is to potter about slowly with a bunch of electronics it makes a good semi-mobile bothy bag. I could sit on my pack under one and tap a keyboard. I tend to take a little stool instead though. Think of my use as a slow but mobile hide / blind – could have binoculars, camera, computer or whatever going on under there, could be a kneeling woman......................That said, whilst I can testify that all the above work, to me it's a lot more hassle than it's worth. Poor value. Always reminds me of an idea where you stopped short of really grasping the nettle and making a good strong commitment to a solution – you kinda cobbled something together, which, while it sort of worked, you always knew it was a bodge-up job..............................Dislikes: Wind flap. Impeded mobility. If the weather is inclement enough to need to put it on I'll still get wet eventually. The hoods are an abomination compared to jackets. Rain on the hood puts an ear bug on you like a finger being run across a stethoscope. The “goes over the pack to keep your pack dry” is a bunch of marketing codswallop – your pack should be able to defend itself. No, this is about; if you don't wear it over the pack you sandwich an impermeable layer between your back and the pack and that isn't going to be fun for long. Avoid that by “putting over your pack to keep your pack dry” and we amplify some of the deficiencies already mentioned. As far as sleeping under one goes, they tend to all be very small. Whilst you can hunker down under out of the rain when it comes to making a shape to resist some properly bad weather you need to be thinking “coffin size”. Of all the pictures I've seen with pitches using a poncho as a rain fly nearly every one of them overcomes the size limitations by using long guys. There's usually at least 6” of gap for wind and water to get under, which is huge considering the amount of space you have, and more common is about 2'. Considering I don't tend to see rain falling like its is being gently sprinkled vertically in a very cooperative way I tend to think of those pitches as more being about the psychology of having a tiny little bit of roof than any real practical value. I just don't think something that can work over a hammock in the tropics necessarily ports well to other places. It definitely doesn't to the places where I go.........................In short, it's only nostalgia that gets me to take one out once every few years. I may well never do it again. It's one of those things that just comes over me. For any real practical use though I'd sooner take an umbrella and a bit of silnylon in the pack.
 
They aren't a great deal of use to me. I did take one out last year of the year before, but that was about nostalgia, nothing practical. Having been through a few over the years I can say that the most rubbish built one I've had is also the most useful, and is the only one I still have. Better builds in lighter more flexible materials that pack better have proved to a] be less resistant to water pressure and puncture readily, b] flap about even worse when you try to walk in them, c] still feel like the rain is beating down on me...............................The one I retain has usefulness in that if the goal is to potter about slowly with a bunch of electronics it makes a good semi-mobile bothy bag. I could sit on my pack under one and tap a keyboard. I tend to take a little stool instead though. Think of my use as a slow but mobile hide / blind – could have binoculars, camera, computer or whatever going on under there, could be a kneeling woman......................That said, whilst I can testify that all the above work, to me it's a lot more hassle than it's worth. Poor value. Always reminds me of an idea where you stopped short of really grasping the nettle and making a good strong commitment to a solution – you kinda cobbled something together, which, while it sort of worked, you always knew it was a bodge-up job..............................Dislikes: Wind flap. Impeded mobility. If the weather is inclement enough to need to put it on I'll still get wet eventually. The hoods are an abomination compared to jackets. Rain on the hood puts an ear bug on you like a finger being run across a stethoscope. The “goes over the pack to keep your pack dry” is a bunch of marketing codswallop – your pack should be able to defend itself. No, this is about; if you don't wear it over the pack you sandwich an impermeable layer between your back and the pack and that isn't going to be fun for long. Avoid that by “putting over your pack to keep your pack dry” and we amplify some of the deficiencies already mentioned. As far as sleeping under one goes, they tend to all be very small. Whilst you can hunker down under out of the rain when it comes to making a shape to resist some properly bad weather you need to be thinking “coffin size”. Of all the pictures I've seen with pitches using a poncho as a rain fly nearly every one of them overcomes the size limitations by using long guys. There's usually at least 6” of gap for wind and water to get under, which is huge considering the amount of space you have, and more common is about 2'. Considering I don't tend to see rain falling like its is being gently sprinkled vertically in a very cooperative way I tend to think of those pitches as more being about the psychology of having a tiny little bit of roof than any real practical value. I just don't think something that can work over a hammock in the tropics necessarily ports well to other places. It definitely doesn't to the places where I go.........................In short, it's only nostalgia that gets me to take one out once every few years. I may well never do it again. It's one of those things that just comes over me. For any real practical use though I'd sooner take an umbrella and a bit of silnylon in the pack.

Excellent post. My wife thinks that way, too. She looked at me like I lost my mind, when I showed her the ponchos that I've been considering.
 
I used a US Army poncho for a lot of walking and camping in all sorts of conditions mainly in the Eastern Seaboard Apppalacians, Adirondaks, and Green Mountains, then later in the English Hills and Scottish Highlands.
I used it for a three season shelter

The poncho had the inner tie to hold the poncho in place and covered my pack, so it did not flap to badly
I had none of the sweating from the waterproofing like rain gear
(do I get wet from sweatingin rain gear or wet from the rain. a poncho was the easiest, and really easy to lift it back on to the pack when it stops raining)
I wore Kelty Chaps to protect my legs from the dripping rain
I carried an Army surplus raincoat to wear when I was setting up the poncho or just to be in the rain when I was not hiking

As a shelter, I carried a long staff, (could have used an extendable hiking pole) and raised the poncho from the hood and pegged one end down on to the ground and the other end used short guy lines to keep the height of the hiking staff
It was bomb proof and kept me dry in very heavy rains and winds
So in the summer it worked very well with a blanket, but by fall I carried a sleeping bag
In the winter also sometimes used it, when I dug snow slit trenches, and used a home made bivy bag and covered the top opening with my poncho

The poncho was a great piece of rain gear and a light versitile substitute for a tent
 
Excellent post. My wife thinks that way, too. She looked at me like I lost my mind, when I showed her the ponchos that I've been considering.
Cheers................................Expanding on the poncho as shelter thing have a look at this. This one is an old British issue job. Doesn't matter that much as they all seem about the same size, except if I remember correctly, I had an East German one that was actually a touch smaller...............
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Anyway, this isn't the most weatherproof way I could put this up. I could have stuck the right hand end up to that tree and dragged my bergan in behind me, but for illustration go with it. Note that the apex is only about 2.5' off the ground. When you add in that a lot of that apex area is virtually useless because of the angles of the sides it becomes pretty clear that whilst it might be a hotel to a Hobbit it is very meagre for a person...............True, you can get some coffee on under one ok, yet you've got to have a good sense of humour if you want to cook. Invariably I get out to make a nosebag, 'cos it's just a pain cooking from prone with your chin up. Wiggling around to get into your bag is a treat too, and woe to he that didn't bring a P bottle in winter.............................Sure it's not the only way you can string them up, with the laissez-faire beach windbreak lean-to effort thing obviously affording the most room. I can't get with that though. That requires me to give up a bunch of control and make predictions about the weather - what it will do and when it will do it. Apart from the most mild of days during which I will often take a punt and go roofless and just get in a bivvy bag I'm not disposed to trusting in hope..................... I don't suppose it would matter too much in a gentle wood like that because I think I could run the lot back to my car in a couple of hours or so if I really had to, that just isn't my style. But up on the moors damned if I'm going to use a pitch that could find me waking up in the wrong side of a cone in the pitch black with the wind firing rain/sleet and misty crap down the big end. Nah, if I'm going to carry it there's not going to be too much of the hoping thing involved. The price I paid for control was carrying it. On that, carrying it and still ending up needing to rely on hope causes a state I find objectionable. A bit more thought can eliminate that issue completely...........................I figure a lot of this will simply reduce to what an individual requires. If you want to go all commando hardcore they work great. Look at that thing I've got strung up there, it works. It would work even better if I scooped leaves over it or piled peat sods on – classic survival shelter. What I think is problematic is when that isn't recognized and they are used as a substitute for other things by people that aren't willing to do that amount of hardcore. You know, “the book says you can..., so we put them up like this so we could sit up and play backgammon, and then it rained really hard from all angles and we so surprised we got wet”......................Bottom line for me is that it is a topic that has much in common with those tanker of a survival threads. Sure, if that's the theme you're going for then there's a lot of fun to be had. With the benefit of prior warning though there's a lot more effective stuff you can take.
 
What method/material/knots do you guys use to seal the hood part when using as a basha / shelter?

Obviously you don't really want heavy rain when you're sleeping under a poncho, but I wondered if anyone had a favourite way of getting the hood watertight for the night.
 
My mil-surp ponchos have drawstring hoods with cordlocs. I just draw them tight.
 
baldtaco,

Clearly we have different experiences with a poncho lol

I walked from Merthyr Tydfil to Snowdon (Wales south to north) using a poncho and no tent
And was certainly pleased to save the weight

When I cycled round Scotland in December I carried a tent on my bicycle
But when I when into the Highlands, I carried a poncho if I did not get to the Bothies on time

And I am certainly not hardcore, just hiking the hills
 
neeman, hola.................................................It seems so, and if that is right I'm very interested in how we could arrive at different conclusions. Although it's also entirely plausible to me that we are just settings different thresholds in what constitutes hardcore. I know I do a bunch of things that I don't pay much mind to that I'm sure others might consider a bit extreme. In this instance it could be my turn to be the little one that sets a latitude of acceptance well below that of someone else. Dunno..................................I do know that I wanted to like ponchos. I vividly recall embracing the US one when I got my hands on one. It was one of the old ripstop woodland ones and a hell of a lot lighter than mine. It struck me as better in every way, superior fabric and all that, and it packed down way smaller than mine. I remember its fate well too. I watched it deteriorate over time stating with the failing lamination round the hood as it was contemptuously relegated to the bottom of the garden to function as a plant parasol. It was a real fall from grace given my initial enthusiasm.....................................I can't see how we can arrive at different conclusions even on that size basis alone unless we have been using them in very different weather or define hardcore very differently. I just can't envisage many ways to stay under one in that fine misty rain that gets pushed and pulled in all directions without hunkering down in about as hardcore space as you can go to. Aside from the measly width and the height they are also short, not much longer than a person. I've always had such a small margin head and foot unless I hunker down small wet will always get in. It's the primary reason that I've always used them in conjunction with a Gore-Tex bivvy bag. The sleeping bag is in way too precarious of a position otherwise. I've found that even if you're lucky and have a big rock or wall to make a big lean-to shape against, it's still so small that if you've got to spend any length of time under it because of the weather, rather than just sleep under it, wet will get in somehow. At this point I am forced to accept that my latitude of acceptance might be lower than yours. Whilst it is still a kind of fun sitting out weather in conditions like that is a bit hardcore for me, hence I sew up my own lids from silnylon instead. I can see how someone else could love it though and it isn't at all hardcore to them.....................................Just as easily I suppose it that we have just encountered very different types of weather so far. That seems unlikely given some of the places you said you've been. That said, I recall a friend bring a friend on a trip out with us and being very surprised. He was vouched for as being ex-army and knew enough not to be a hazard. I was aghast to find on pitching up that he'd brought a small bit of waterproof material that was to be both his floor and lid, in an inverted “7” position. When it was in his sleeping bag there was about 2' of fabric left sticking out up one side of him. His waterproof sleep system, one of those German army sleeping bags with arms. It was -7. Somehow, on his path, that kit was all he had ever needed for the weather before. Dunno how...................................Anyway, we run the risk here of loading the thread on one particular aspect. If we aren't careful we could pull down “what is the optimal basha size” rather than let's through stuff at ponchos and see what sticks..............................Contentions: 1] Given that silnylon is a cheap and extremely light, and that cuben fiber and whatnot is very light, I can't see the point of restricting yourself to a poncho size when a really miniscule increase in weight can offer such dramatically different returns. 2] Ponchos are master of nothing. I like versatility in kit, I prize it. When for the sake of versatility an item spreads itself so thinly it demonstrates no excellence at anything it needs to be treated to optimal skepticism – I like tools, I hate gadgets. For all practical purposes I find ponchos to be more of a gadget than a tool. 3] Even if I'm willing to tolerate a degree of under-performance in some areas it strikes me that with clothing and shelter I should be less willing to compromise. With my 3m² sinylon basha and Gore-Tex head to toe I've go to fall into something to get wet.I can roll around in the wet if I like and no change. I could also for a lot of the year not need to defend the sleeping bag with a bivvy bag to guarantee success. Seldom the case with a poncho. A tiny weight increase gives me all that, and sometimes a weight loss. 4] Poncho can't be two things at once. Not does that suck if you've got to pitch up in bad weather but what about once you've pitched up. It's going to take quite a lot of incentive to get you out of your shelter into bad weather when you've effectively used you waterproof jacket to plug up a leaking roof.
 
baldtaco,

I understand your pointaview of what you have written

Those years ago, I had zero spare money for any gear, could just afford rice and lentils for food
Gear was much heavier then, so a tent weighed more than many days food

I now use a 9x9 tarp for a shelter mainly for watercolor painting in the Lake District Fells
 
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