Poor man's Zero Tolerance

elkins45 said:
I've often wondered how the composite blades will stand up to lateral pressure. Isn't there a thin copper layer between the blade body and the edge insert? Wonder how much force it would take to just slide the whole thing out sideways?
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I've tried my best to kill the composite JYD...cutting drywall, moderate prying, chopping, batoning...everything you SHOULDNT do with a folder...I don't doubt the integrity of the junction of the two steels in the slightest...it's rock solid.
 
3Guardsmen said:
How thick is the locking liner on the Boker? Kershaw runs at least .070 to .080 thickness on their JYD II's, G10 Tyrades, and ZT 350's.;)
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From looking at it, I'd say it's about the same as the Tyrade, but it has a pattern on it that appears to be designed to give it extra lateral strength. Strictly my uninformed opinion though (the pattern is there, its purpose is conjecture on my part).
 
philwar said:
From looking at it, I'd say it's about the same as the Tyrade, but it has a pattern on it that appears to be designed to give it extra lateral strength. Strictly my uninformed opinion though (the pattern is there, its purpose is conjecture on my part).
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Wow!:eek: That's pretty thick for a locking liner from Boker!:thumbup: If you don't mind explaining, I'm curious to hear about the pattern on it you speak of?
 
philwar said:
The blade says 440c. Unless Boker are lying, that is the steel the blade is made of. If the Chinese don't make 440c, then this blade is not made in China.
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You're right. It is indeed possible that the blade is exported from elsewhere to China, as some other companies have been having US and Japanese steels sent there for manufacture. I had forgotten about that.
 
J_Curd said:
I've tried my best to kill the composite JYD...cutting drywall, moderate prying, chopping, batoning...everything you SHOULDNT do with a folder...I don't doubt the integrity of the junction of the two steels in the slightest...it's rock solid.
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Glad to hear that! I finally got to the point where I couldn't stand it anymore and bought the JYDII comp blade knife. It came last Friday and it is one sweet piece of work.

I have to say, I ain't in love with that mall ninja style pocket clip on it. But the feel of the knife along with its great lockup super steel combo will probably make that a non-issue pretty quick. I will get used to it.

Robert
 
found this pic, good for comparison to show you the size



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J_Curd said:
Robert,

Take it off, grind it down to suit you, all will be well.

Joe
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Yea.... you're right. But I just hate to take the Dremel (or grinder) to it right away. It still has that "new knife" smell!

I'll wag it around for a few days and see what I think first. If I cut it where I want it, I will also wind up flaring out the remaining clip end a bit as well so I can get it over the seam in my jeans pocket. Once the clip is off though, I guess it wouldn't be much of a problem to ease it over in a vise.

Robert
 
I've got 3 Böker knives so far. Mine are all the Solingen variants (not the Böker PLUS which I think most of them look over the top and tacky) and they are all EXCELLENT pieces.

BTW I saw in the newest Böker catalogue that they're putting out a Burger knife.
 
3Guardsmen said:
Wow!:eek: That's pretty thick for a locking liner from Boker!:thumbup: If you don't mind explaining, I'm curious to hear about the pattern on it you speak of?
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I don't have the knife on me atm (short holiday) but the liner's got what looks like striations running down the length of it, sort of like girders?
When I get back to Holland I will post pictures of it.
 
LX_Emergency said:
I've got 3 Böker knives so far. Mine are all the Solingen variants (not the Böker PLUS which I think most of them look over the top and tacky) and they are all EXCELLENT pieces.
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The Resurrection is from the Plus line, but this one at least looks purely functional and tough. No frills. Forgot to mention, the blade's stonewash finish looks beautiful too, like a Strider or Hinderer. I guess you can make any steel look that good. ;)
 
I've had a couple of the BokerPlus fixed blades that are made in China and have the 440C steel. They were a Valkryie and the Rampage. If you set these down in front of someone and they not know it was China made, I don't think they would ever guess China. The fit and finish on both was excellent as were the blade grinds and the out of box sharpness. I don't know whether the steel is American 440C or if it is China made 440C, but it does seem to perform well.

On another tangent, I am about to get my very first high-dollar, Soligen made Boker. It is called the Titan Defender. I've never seen one except in pictures, so obviously I've never held one. I'm hoping this turns out to be a very nice carry piece for me. It is shorter than what I usually prefer, but it has the stout build I do prefer. Here is a link to one; http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=BO110930

Take a look.:D
 
I always wonder about this knife, it looked like a tough folder from the picture. I'm glad that someone has confirmed it. With that kind of price, it's definitely in my future purchase. Thick blade, rugged feel, backspacer, recurve, thick lock, what more can I ask. I'm not an AO fan, so this knife will be perfect for me. Please post picture of the lock whenever you can my friend.
 
cutter17 said:
I've had a couple of the BokerPlus fixed blades that are made in China and have the 440C steel. They were a Valkryie and the Rampage. If you set these down in front of someone and they not know it was China made, I don't think they would ever guess China. The fit and finish on both was excellent as were the blade grinds and the out of box sharpness.
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That's what I was hinting at in my earlier post. I have a couple of Chiawanese knives that are excellent in fit and finish category, and very good in the steel category. One is the Tenacious, and the other is the RAT 1 folder.

The RAT 1 has turned out to be my favorite of the two simply because it is so well built. And as far as the fit and finish, it was finished out much better than the Kershaw JYD II composite I just purchased. The Kershaw required 45 minutes with sandpaper just to flush the internal spacer (between the liners) to the liners.

The pocket clip was so tight I couldn't get it in my pocket, and had to bend the clip just to get a snug fit. The Tenacious and RAT were literally perfect fits on their materials, right out of the box. Mind you, the RAT is all CNC cut parts screwed together, not parts that were simply sanded/ground flush after assembly.

I think we are now approaching where we were 30 years ago, when we had to reconsider knives that came from Pacific rim countries. Too many nice knives are coming from there to make a blanket indictment about poor quality.

As Joe said above, at least in one Case, (yeah, I caught it!) some of the domestic knife makers still make good knives, at least in some Cases. But I wouldn't buy a Case I couldn't look at in person anymore.

There will be a lot of tears and cries of "foul!" in the industry if the guys like Rough Rider and their group ever decide to invest another dollar or two in the blades of their knives and make them from a quality, decent steel.

Robert
 
beluga said:
I always wonder about this knife, it looked like a tough folder from the picture. I'm glad that someone has confirmed it. With that kind of price, it's definitely in my future purchase. Thick blade, rugged feel, backspacer, recurve, thick lock, what more can I ask. I'm not an AO fan, so this knife will be perfect for me. Please post picture of the lock whenever you can my friend.
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If you're talking about the Resurrection, yes, I will post some when I get back.
 
midnight flyer said:
I think we are now approaching where we were 30 years ago, when we had to reconsider knives that came from Pacific rim countries. Too many nice knives are coming from there to make a blanket indictment about poor quality.
Robert
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I think most people already realize this. The "buy American" sentiment (or wherever you live) is not so much about quality as it is about where people think they should spend their money.
If you're 'patriotic' about such things, that might even make a little sense if it weren't for the fact that almost anything else you wear and use these days is made in the Far-East. It makes no sense to me to get picky only about your pocket knife.
But that's just me.
 
Jim Burke is an awesome custom maker, who is known for building tough & big & beefy knives.
 
midnight flyer said:
That's what I was hinting at in my earlier post. I have a couple of Chiawanese knives that are excellent in fit and finish category, and very good in the steel category.
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IMO the knives coming out of Taiwan are significantly better than the knives coming out of mainland China.
 
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