Pop Quiz Hot Shot! SHTF and you need a shelter!

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The last one was well received so lets try again:

Okay - pick a time today when you were out and about with what you had on you. You are away from your vehicle and house and only have what you carry on you.


You need a shelter - what do you have on you to help?

Let's assume you need to get a structure, some insulation, and some protection from a small rain that might fall in a few hours.

Assume you are in your local at this time today.


How do you fare?

TF
 
I was at school today and had my rainjacket in my backpack. I could have worn the rainjacket, stepped under an awning and huddled down. Fire would have been out of the picture since it is about 80 degrees here today.
 
alright...

the situation as it applies to me is this: i am walking the 1.25 miles home this afternoon (didn't happen today, but a common occurance). i am wearing weather-appropriate clothing, so i am set for a while. i have my EDC : folding knife, lighter, wallet. i also have my bag which contains (among other less relevant things):

two pieces of gutted paracord, about 1 meter each.
1 small sewing kit, a bunch of thread
1 rubber band
bottle of water

i can break some limbs and build a lean-to type of frame, then use my knife to cut spruce boughs to make a thatched roof. there is leaf duff on the ground, but most of it is frozen with moisture (there isn't alot of snow on the ground right now, but it is still below freezing most of the time). i could put more boughs under me. my clothing should keep me decently warm, and i can have a fire to compensate for dropping night-time temperatures.

i could build the shelter without a knife or the cord, but it will make the job faster and maybe a little sturdier. i could get the fire going with only the lighter...

so i don't really need the stuff in my bag, but it was useful.

in reality, i can't imagine how i could possibly end up in that situation walking home on the small backroads through the woods, since there are alot of houses all along the way...so i suppose i will look at it as a very impromptu camping trip. maybe some scary men drove up and tried to kidnap me and i had to run into the woods and hide out until i could set some booby traps and thwart them all, only to return grimy (and manly!) and unharmed to my family some days later. ;)
 
It's a half mile walk from my house to my office at the university.

Even so, I have on me or in my book pack, two SAKs, Bic, two man mylar rescue blanket, and first aid supplies.

I think I'll make it home okay! :D
 
hmmm, well, i was at school today, so that prevents the carry of most survival things. so, on my walk home i had really nothing to get a shelter up with. probably would have gone with a debris hut.

however, sunday I carried a more typical edc. i had a couple of knives on my, so i would have opted for a shelter similar to siguys. however, this is a bit of an eye-opener to how little i carry that i could use for shelter. they have these enormous plastic bags at work, so i think i will snag one of those to put in my backpack (since, last i checked, a garbage bag is allowed on school property), that way i think i would be much better off.
 
I had my EDC bag which includes an AMK heat sheet and some paracord, so I probably would have been good to go. It wouldn't hurt to have some duct tape, though. I need to add some to my kit.
 
I was out in a shopping area.
If it were truly a EOTWAWKI situation, I would have walked into the adjacent neighborhood and taken shelter in an empty house.

If it was a take to the woods scenario, I would have grabbed all the trash bags I could find in the local cans and had to manage with my small edc and mini SAK.
 
lighter, spyderco barong, byrd keychainknife with fox40 whistle, wallet size Coghlans first aid kit with added : parrafin'd matches, 3ft of backed ducttape, 2led MEC light, needle and small bobbin of unwaxed floss with 2 small fishhooks, 20$ bill. The little kit with a large orange contractor bag elastic'd to it fit's in my inside jacket(waterproof) pocket. This is what is on me everytime I leave the house. Small gloves,thin fleece toque and 1 bandanna always in left pocket.
I think I would be OK as I wear leather Blundstones, Filson waxed hat whenever I am outdoors.
 
I know some of these are a little contrived - but assume that something odd happened. I think the exercise is to see how prepared you are.

TF
 
clear this up for me T.F. please.

Do I have my daypack kit, or is what I carry on my person on the normal basis.
 
I feel pretty good about my shelter making ability...Much more so than my fire building skill set. over the last season I've spent every night I've been out in a shelter constructed of natural materials..they all ofered adequate protection from the elements provided I put the time into constructing them properly.. add the poncho from my woods bag into the mix and it'd be great..however if I was in an area other than the NE where there is less downed wood and leaf litter things might be different.
 
Let's assume you need to get a structure, some insulation, and some protection from a small rain that might fall in a few hours.

Assume you are in your local at this time today.
TF


Well where I was today I was surrounded by building materials and had a plethora of tools strapped right to my a$$.:D

I couldve literally built a small insulated room with a door and a shingled roof. Heck if idve talked nice to the plumbers I might couldve installed a flush toilet and had running water:D


Really though construction workers are probably ahead of the game a bit, we have a truck full of tools we have to drive around. Mines got a shoulder bag full of kit that isnt covered by saws and hammers, extra dry clothes (you get totally ruined in this work sometimes....mud, wet, dust you name it. We dont always get to quit just cause its rainy.

Just like the last Pop quiz I cant imagine a scenario where my truck isnt within 10 min walking distance, or I havnt left it on purpose with a pack full of "what would you do if...?" Its part of my EDC.

Pockets? .... I dont need no stinkin pockets:D


Given the "something contrived " scenario... Its a debri hut for me (if I have to stay )quick and effective . If I just need to sit out a drizzle probably just build a lean to with a thick roof and steepish ceiling. I work in the north georgia mountains so theres plenty of leaves, limbs and scenery;)


I like these threads! Makes me think about how if the ways I have my bases covered messed up what would I do?
 
Well, if it happened when I was in town (at work), I'd walk back into the building. ;)

If something weird happened like aliens attacked while driving home, I had to pull the levers on the ejection seat to avoid an incoming photon torpedo, and the seat kit stayed in the car (LOL), and I got thrown 5 miles into the woods with just what was on me. . .This time of year, I wear my M65 field jacket. I'd deploy the hood, whip out my Mule, cut up a bunch of palmetto fronds and stack them over a couple of palmetto bushes to provide shelter from the rain.
 
On my person I had my Altoid PSK wrapped with 10' of 550 and in a separate 4x6" ziplock baggie, a 45 gallon yard bag. These items are generally always on my person as neither tends to take up any room. I also had a larger folder - my mini-Grip.
 
Well if I have my daypack, I have a poncho and space blanket so I'm good there.

If I don't have those luxuries I am pretty confident in my shelter making skills in my neck of the woods. But the nice thing about the woods by me is the abundance of rock outcropings we have.
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I can almost always find a natural shelter around my area.

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Hi all,

Ok Tf, Here is my set up for today. Just before I got out of bed and right next to my bed is my pants and my shoulder bag. At the foot of my bed is my slip on shoes and my shirt that hangs on a chair. My hat is right next to the door so I can grab it as I go out. My hat a filson packer is on my head most of the time. When in the shower it is not. LOL I sometimes even have my hat on when sleeping. I sleep out alot. I have been practcing just how much wood I need to gather for a night out in the cooler wheather we have here and I have been timing the wood burn time of some of the fires to see just how much wood I would really need to gather for a night out for the practice and for the what if I have to do it for real. I like to carry a hatchet or axe, Most times I carry both. a couple weeks back at 3:30 am I was sitting next to my fire and next to the log I was leaning on and thinking this is the life LOL I was warmed by my fire and the night sounds were awesome. I use different woods to just to see there burn time and what it really takes to have a warming fire. I read that if you get 20 logs roughly 5" thick and you put 6 on at 10pm by 1am you will be puting on the next 6 logs then by 4am you will be putting on the next 6 logs and then you have 2 logs for your breakfast cooking in a few hours. The author was William H Miller from his book in 1918. He said that if you did that it would take you through a oct. night rain or shine. He is not to far off I think it depends on the wood to.
But do that in Jan. with temps near 0 and a strong wind and and for my testing it takes 10 to 12 logs and per each time you put logs. I was putting logs on not split wood either logs on every hours or so. I did not sleep that much sitting next to that fire I dozed with my hat on LOL

I know I go off the subject some but if you build a shelter most likely you are going to build a fire to keep warm or cook with. Just something to think about. yes you break and gather wood from your surroundings and even drag wood in and burn it in half but I find that to be a pain in the butt. Plus I like to chop LOL so chopping logs up in 2 to 4 feet long and with a thickness of 5" to 10" I find really works pretty good. Hey that is me. do what you want.

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Now since I live on a farm and this is where I make knives at to. after getting up and having morning worship with Kathy then we make breakfast and then I check my e-mail. I then head out for our morning walk ( with Kelly girl ) I put on my shoulder kit. Here is a couple of pics.
Here is the pic of my shouder bag. On the strap I carry a knife in a sheath that I made on it and my smaller axe 17" handle length. It is a S & N axe that I got from Brian Andrews.

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Here is pic of the contents of my shoulder bag. One Item I have in there is a AMK heatsheat for shelter building.

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That shoulder bag with the axe and the knife with a full canteen of water in it weighs in at 10.5 pounds.
Ok now as walk out of the house go for a walk and that is what I carry.
I am gone with Kelly Girl on the average of 2 hours in the morning with her roaming around the timber.

Now to day I had to go to town I took on the contents of my belt and what was in my pockets. I was changing into clean jeans and a clean green shirt like in the pic above. Yea I pretty much wear the same cloths. Jeans and a green or tan shirt of the same design. then my hiking boots when in the timber and on our walks or slip ons when out in the shop. Here is apic of my kit on the hook hanging on the door in the shop. When it is cold I wear my carrhart coat.

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Ok now I am away from home LOL it might be only 70 feet. but hey you said away from home right. Now lets go back to I was heading to town. In this pic I put on a chair at the foot of my bed the contents of my pockets and what was on my belt.

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So when I get to town and go into the lumber yard to get some supplies I did not take my shoulder kit. I left it out in the car in the back seat with my carrhart coat with leather gloves and a warm hat (Poly pro) . It was 60 degrees here to day. So if for some reason ( the whatever thing happend I would have grabbed a tarp or a trash bag if I had the time as I was heading out the door. Of course I would try to get back to the car and my kit but if I could not ( aliens attacking maybe LOL ) I would have my belt knives and the little pouch that I carry to hold my small survival kit. In my front right pocket I carry a little red sak and a spycapsule with firesteel rod and cotton/pj mix. then my right back pocket a sharpener and comb. left back pocket my wallet and front left pocket 14" para cord and a half of a bandana and a tin of salve. for cut and chapped lips etc. I used to carry a amk heat sheet in one of my shirt pockets but now carry a bag of sunflower seeds.
I feel in my area I could find a sheltered spot of make one up.
for instance about 20 years back I was walking on long the little blue river next to the town I was in. It started to rain and I was also walking next to a rail road tracks and just happened to be near the bridge that the rail road had built. well I went under it and the rail road went over it. I was still getting rained on. I noticed that there was a 7' long 2' or so peice of tin. How it got there I do not know. But I leaned that tin up against the wall and a lean to and sat under that. I was not getting rained on then LOL.

Long post I know, But that is what I carry when I leave the house. If I go to town My shoulder bag and what is on my belt goes with me. Get on a tractor and haul hay bails my kit is with me. I got water, fak, survival kit, 1 pot with lid and 2 cups and my little saw and several bandanas etc. well you seen the contents.

Now is it exssesive, LOL for some maybe but for me it works.
To answer your ? TF once I left home today I think I was pretty well covered in the getting some type of shelter built or made up.
Bryan
 
I EDC a Maxpedition Jumbo Versapack. It has an AMK Heat Sheet, AMK Emergency Bivy, contractor garbage bag, paracord and duct tape in it.
 
If I was out for a hike/bike ride I'd have the material to build something but I don't EDC it.

Assuming I'm not close to the truck or in town (pre-made shelter) then suppose I fail. Where I live it's 99% sagebrush, to find enough trees to build a shelter I might have to walk 15 miles. I could cut enough sagebrush to make a shelter but I'm not sure how waterproof/insulative that would be.
 
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