Possible carrers in the great outdoors

DaleW said:
I feel for the Canadians though-- being parked next to the US is politically like living next door to a trailer park full of meth-heads --- always fighting over the wrong thing! Then again, there is Quebec.... :eek:

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I don't even know you but I have to say anyone would post this on a public world wide forum about there own country is a piece of crap. Why don't you leave and take Hillary, Bill and Jimmy with you. Chris
 
runningboar said:
I don't even know you but I have to say anyone would post this on a public world wide forum about there own country is a piece of crap. Why don't you leave and take Hillary, Bill and Jimmy with you. Chris
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Hehehe-- never heard of self-deprecating humor, eh? Now, you'll never hear me say anything negative about out troops for instance, but you will hear me pick on the politicians. It's no secret that we suck up a disproportionate share of the worlds resources and we have a sick tendency to back up the wrong people internationally. And we do a lot of good too. So I don't see anything wrong with making fun of my country. Geez, if you don't laugh, you'll cry.

So it might be a little scary living next door to us. I'm a Cold War kid and it crossed my mind more than once that Soviet guidance and propulsion systems might literally fall short. If I were Canadian I would have some concern that some of the ordinace headed for ohhh, the Bangor sub base, might end up in Vancouver, let alone any fallout.

As far as expressing my opinion, we have a Constitution that supports that. I support your right to express your opinion too, no matter how much it disagrees with my own. I was poking fun at the Qubecois as much as I was the US. If you are a meth-head and you live in a trailer park, I'm really sorry and I apologize! :jerkit:
 
Death to America
by Daniel Pipes, New York Post, September 8, 2002
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/460

America's war on terrorism did not begin in September 2001. It began in November 1979.

That was shortly after Ayatollah Khomeini had seized power in Iran, riding the slogan "Death to America" - and sure enough, the attacks on Americans soon began. In November 1979, a militant Islamic mob took over the U.S. embassy in Tehran, the Iranian capital, and held 52 Americans hostage for the next 444 days.

The rescue team sent to free those hostages in April 1980 suffered eight fatalities, making them the first of militant Islam's many American casualties. Others included:

April 1983: 17 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut.

October 1983: 241 dead at the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut.

December 1983: five dead at the U.S. embassy in Kuwait.

January 1984: the president of the American University of Beirut killed.

April 1984: 18 dead near a U.S. airbase in Spain.

September 1984: 16 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut (again).

December 1984: Two dead on a plane hijacked to Tehran.

June 1985: One dead on a plane hijacked to Beirut.

After a let-up, the attacks then restarted: Five and 19 dead in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996, 224 dead at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998 and 17 dead on the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000.

Simultaneously, the murderous assault of militant Islam also took place on U.S. soil:

July 1980: an Iranian dissident killed in the Washington, D.C. area.

August 1983: a leader of the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam killed in Canton, Mich.

August 1984: three Indians killed in a suburb of Tacoma, Wash.

September 1986: a doctor killed in Augusta, Ga.

January 1990: an Egyptian freethinker killed in Tucson, Ariz.

November 1990: a Jewish leader killed in New York.

February 1991: an Egyptian Islamist killed in New York.

January 1993: two CIA staff killed outside agency headquarters in Langley, Va.

February 1993: Six people killed at the World Trade Center.

March 1994: an Orthodox Jewish boy killed on the Brooklyn Bridge.

February 1997: a Danish tourist killed on the Empire State building.

October 1999: 217 passengers killed on an EgyptAir flight near New York City.

In all, 800 persons lost their lives in the course of attacks by militant Islam on Americans before September 2001 - more than killed by any other enemy since the Vietnam War. (Further, this listing does not include the dozens more Americans in Israel killed by militant Islamic terrorists.)

And yet, these murders hardly registered. Only with the events of a year ago did Americans finally realize that "Death to America" truly is the battle cry of this era's most dangerous foe, militant Islam.

In retrospect, the mistake began when Iranians assaulted the U.S. embassy in Tehran and met with no resistance.

Interestingly, a Marine sergeant present at the embassy that fateful day in November 1979 agrees with this assessment. As the militant Islamic mob invaded the embassy, Rodney V. Sickmann followed orders and protected neither himself nor the embassy. As a result, he was taken hostage and lived to tell the tale. (He now works for Anheuser-Busch.)

In retrospect, he believes that passivity was a mistake. The Marines should have done their assigned duty, even if it cost their lives. "Had we opened fire on them, maybe we would only have lasted an hour." But had they done that, they "could have changed history."

Standing their ground would have sent a powerful signal that the United States of America cannot be attacked with impunity. In contrast, the embassy's surrender sent the opposite signal - that it's open season on Americans. "If you look back, it started in 1979; it's just escalated," Sickmann correctly concludes.

To which one of the century's great geostrategist thinkers, Robert Strausz-Hupé, adds his assent. Just before passing away earlier this year at the age of 98, Strausz-Hupé wrote his final words, and they were about the war on terrorism: "I have lived long enough to see good repeatedly win over evil, although at a much higher cost than need have been paid. This time we have already paid the price of victory. It remains for us to win it."

I don't know if what we are doing right now is the right thing but I do know that we had to do something. I do not understand what all the anti Bush anti war people want, do we continue to just let the Muslim world do whatever they want with no retribution, do we wait until they kill 10,000 Americans before we retailate. I truly don't understand what the world and a whole of Americans expect or think is the proper response.:confused: Chris
 
Sorry, but I didn't think and got a flame war started. We should take it to an appropriate forum. We were talking about outdoor careers, IIRC. :foot: :foot: :foot: :foot: :foot: :foot: :foot:
 
Thanks for all the great comments, guys, lots of food for thought there.
Dale, runningboar, I would appreciate you keeping your patriotism or lack thereof out of this discussion, Canada and the US are both great countries, with our own faults and such, but there's a whole other forum for that kind of discussion.

Dale, sorry had to add I didnt mean to imply you had a lack of patriotism, sometimes its the people who love their country more than many that can't stand to see the way its headed.
 
DaleW said:
Sorry, but I didn't think and got a flame war started. We should take it to an appropriate forum. We were talking about outdoor careers, IIRC. :foot: :foot: :foot: :foot: :foot: :foot: :foot:
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You damn sure did, I posted about the Army and you flamed the hell out of me with your anti Bush anti Amercan bullshit, that no one asked for. However in this instance I agree lets go back to talking about the out of doors. Chris
 
Hikeeba, I am a corrections officer in the only prison up here. I have been here for 3 1/2 years, It's an interesting place, and I really wish I hadnt used my full name on here, so I could speak frankly about it.
I have 2 years of post secondary inn psychology, but I should add I have no intentions of going back to university, I would seriously consider a skilled trade, however. Surveyer sounds interesting, as does bush pilot, but I have a feeling I would be wishing I had my own plane, and something tells me they are probably expensive.
Keep the ideas coming guys, I will seriously consider and research each and every one.

LR
 
I dont know if you guys have game wardens (fish and wildlife officers) that would be an option. I am currently going to school to become one. Its got the best of all the job qualities: you get to be a cop, you get to be in the woods, and you get to drive a truck. What could possibly be better than that?
 
I was a field archaeologist for twelve years, spending most of that outdoors. Some good and some bad. Winter in Baggs, Wyoming. Summer in Hobbes, New Mexico. Spring in the Rocky Mountains. Fall in the Ozarks...

Pay was low, but getting better throughout the business. I started with a college degree at $6.50/hr, but by the time I left most of the jobs I worked were $10-$15/hr, maybe more.

People who worked as "shovelbums" could jump from job to job anywhere in the country as projects became available. "Shovelbums," either on excavations or surveys, could work outdoors nearly 100% of the time. Other people were more academic-oriented (writing, data entry, labratory work, etc.) and their outdoor time could range from 0%-50%.

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My current job is Mudlogger, a sort-of Geologist. I am outdoors quite a bit, but it doesn't feel like it. I work in a small trailer out in the forest, but the view and noise and atmosphere is completely industrial.

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Have you considered ranching or farming? I've done a bit of it, and it's outdoors at least 80% of the time.

-Bob
 
Geologist is great option for working outdoors. It gives lots of oppotunity for travel, and has the option of working in urban settings as well later on if you get injured, or sick of being away from home. Now is an excellent time to get into geology, especially being in Canada, there is SOOOO much work you can do anything you want anywhere you want. Basically you write your own ticket. Of course you will need a 4 year degree to get started.
 
Liam Ryan said:
Has anyone here treeplanted?
Hard work but I hear its very fun.
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I have not done it, but several friends of mine have. Hard work, and the fun thing is subjective. Several people have been screwed by employers, so you need to be careful about which outfit you work for.
 
I have heard the same thing, the difference between camps can be day and night, and another big factor is the food.
Also, just realized I misspelled the topic header, ah well.
Another thing I might add is I may have the opprotunity to job share in the future, so I would still make a decent living and be able to pursue different things in my 6 months off.
 
Will said:
I have not done it, but several friends of mine have. Hard work, and the fun thing is subjective. Several people have been screwed by employers, so you need to be careful about which outfit you work for.
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Try removing them 30-60 years later ;)



What a trip that job got to be on some days!
 
Munky said:
I dont know if you guys have game wardens (fish and wildlife officers) that would be an option. I am currently going to school to become one. Its got the best of all the job qualities: you get to be a cop, you get to be in the woods, and you get to drive a truck. What could possibly be better than that?
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Hmmm... If you like to fish and hunt, guess what: You'll be working opening weekend of whatever season it happens to be! If you want to be a cop in the woods, well...;)

I teach firearms safety courses in my area so I associate with the CO's fairly regularly. They all USED TO enjoy fishing and hunting, but now it's ruined locally because they can't leave the job behind. A couple of them save up every year for trips to Canada, Rocky's, Texas, etc. I guess there's a pretty good network of CO's around the continent that look out for each other.:D

I don't remember his name, but the guy who started Cannondale bicycles was quoted as saying, "I just looked for what Il iked to do the most and found someone crazy enough to pay me to do it!" When asked how he got into bicycle design.

I think the dudes that Deerslayer mentioned who turned hobbies into jobs and hated them got caught up in the "other" parts of the job and didn't get to spend enough time doing what they loved. i.e. Knifemakers who really don't like marketing or knife shows, woodworkers who don't like people who change their minds, etc.

J-
 
I teach outdoor education during the fall and winter, and lead trail crews during the summer. All of this work I do with kids and all of it outside. One summer I was a guide and alot of the posters were right, when someone is paying you to facilitate their adventure it takes alot of the personal enjoyment out of it. However, as a teacher, you enrich a child's life by trying to instill your love of the outdoors into them. That only makes me love being outside more.

As a start, I'd look into an organization called the Student Conservation Association. They are a nonprofit that partners with the park/forest/BLM agencies all over the country. They offer internships doing just about anything that people do in the parks, great way to get your foot in the door. In my opinion, my job with them is the best. I take groups of six highschool volunteers into a national park for 30 days at a time. We live outside the whole time and do 8 hours of trail work every day, straight manual labor. We build bridges, stone staircases, use and appreciate tools, tread and drainage, etc. And did I mention they're VOLUNTEERS. These exceptional kids give me alot of faith in America's youth and the future of our country.

If you ever need a hand getting into either of these fields, lemme know, happy to help.
 
Hey Liam,

Ok... I'm still very interested in your situation. Ok, you work at a prison, you've been there for 3.5 years, and you're coming up to a 6-month leave, correct? after the 6 months, you will be going back to work at the prison? Or no?

What do you have for debts? You said your student loan was just about paid off. How close?

I'm not trying to get personal here. I'm just trying to get a better feel for where you're at and what sort of income you may need. Just trying to think outside the box...
 
I will have the loan paid off with my tax return, so we are talking the one month range until I am back to zero responsibility, (other then my job)
The 6 month leave is only in the planning stages as of now, but I am fairly confident it will be approved. I dont really want to say my salary, but working half the year I would still make a comfortable yearly income. If I live with my parents while working on the land I bought back home, I will save even more.
 
A friend at church just bought a gold mine way up in AK.

He was telling me that the days of gold mine = hole in the ground are long gone.

Now your mine is 5 or so acres of ground, and you hire some guy to scoop the soil into a dirt-washing machine with a dozer.

The machine extracts out all the little flecks of gold from the soil. When you're done, you just push the dirt flat again and plant trees back on it. Doesn't hurt a thing (and he was saying that you go through the acres SLOWLY, too).

Now I don't know how you'd go about getting hired, but if you wanted to be outdoors in the cab of a bulldozer, there's the way to do it :thumbup:

Mike
 
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