praetorian info ?

Ok, so some of you own one of these and are speaking of a $700 folder. When I contacted Greg about a Praetorian TI he said the price was $1200 ! At $700 I might have gone for it but no way to justify this knife costing $1200.
 
precisionshootist said:
Ok, so some of you own one of these and are speaking of a $700 folder. When I contacted Greg about a Praetorian TI he said the price was $1200 ! At $700 I might have gone for it but no way to justify this knife costing $1200.
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Wow lol that's even worse than I had thought.
 
precisionshootist said:
Ok, so some of you own one of these and are speaking of a $700 folder. When I contacted Greg about a Praetorian TI he said the price was $1200 ! At $700 I might have gone for it but no way to justify this knife costing $1200.
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If you were going to buy fantasy art for $700.00 why not buy it for $1200.00? You aren't spending any money on a high performance knife, you are spending it on pocket art.
 
Honestly, I think the knife is cool.
but, I could never justify the lack of utility.

Buy whatever makes you happy. It does not have to make sense to anyone but you.
 
Nullity said:
Buy whatever makes you happy. It does not have to make sense to anyone but you.
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Bravo Nullity, the bottom line is if you see a need for it, or just want to own it , it doesn't have to make sense to anyone else but you.....
I think the Praetorian is a cool looking knife, but as big folder go I already have a ZT 0301 a big folder with speed assist, i personally cant ask for more then that.
However I did purchase a Micro Praetorian, I have a Boker albatros which it a "little tank" and i sold it to make room for the micro praetorian, i'm at a point with my collecting that If I want another I have to sell one i already have, so i dont end up with more knives then i'll need.....but anyway I can see myself putting the micro in my EDC rotation . Now the Micro goes for just as much as the full size (micro is 2/3 the size of a full praetorian) but once again, if i want it and can afford it...thats all that really matters isnt it.....

on another note, does anyone else find humor in Gregs video's.....he's kinda animated,...... like Joe Cocker singing, but I like the videos, and obviously the knives enough to make a purchase...
Bravo to you Greg !! keep up the good work
 
mar12duk said:
Bravo Nullity, the bottom line is if you see a need for it, or just want to own it , it doesn't have to make sense to anyone else but you.....
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That's true, and if you wish to purchase a gilded turd because it makes you happy nobody is telling you not to. However...

The OP asked why he should buy one, he wanted reasons. Some, in this thread, mentioned things like "they do cut well" and "it's like an axe blade with handles." No and no. It doesn't cut well and it isn't like an axe with handles... whatever the hell that means. People, who don't have a clue, are spouting misinformation. Why? Probably because they think the knife looks cool. It's fine if you think the knife looks cool, but please don't tell people something that isn't true. Please don't tell people that it is a useful knife when that has no basis in reality.

People come to Blade Forums to learn about knives, potentially knives they wish to buy. Is it fair to them, or to the various makers, if people keep perpetuating a fantasy as though it were a reality?

The Praetorian is very thick, has a very low grind, is short and it is a folding knife. Do a little research and you will find that is a poor combination for any utility functions.

Here's a Klingon Fighting Blade...

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If someone wants to pay $1000.00, or whatever, for that... great! No problem, but would it be right for people to come on here and pretend that this is a great survival tool? No, that would be misinformation. It would be luring potential buyers away from something that they they really want ie. a survival/camping/whatever blade. If you said something like "That's really close to what the Klingon Blades in Star Trek really look like, you should buy it. Totally worth $1000.00." Then I wouldn't be commenting here, but if you said something like "That's a great survival tool. I use one to chop wood when I go camping. Totally worth $1000.00." Shouldn't someone dispute that type of nonsense?
 
The only problem for me, besides the fact these are expensive midtechs, is the blade itself. Everything above the tiny grind is wasted space, and in the case of steel, excess weight. It won't be any tougher than a typical quality framelock as they have inherent weaknesses anyways. A taller grind and a less wide blade would make this knife better at everything.
 
Chum said:
That's true, and if you wish to purchase a gilded turd because it makes you happy nobody is telling you not to. However...

The OP asked why he should buy one, he wanted reasons. Some, in this thread, mentioned things like "they do cut well" and "it's like an axe blade with handles." No and no. It doesn't cut well and it isn't like an axe with handles... whatever the hell that means. People, who don't have a clue, are spouting misinformation. Why? Probably because they think the knife looks cool. It's fine if you think the knife looks cool, but please don't tell people something that isn't true. Please don't tell people that it is a useful knife when that has no basis in reality.
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I paid $700 for mine because it's a custom and because it's unique and I think it looks cool. So Chum, are you speaking from experience? How did the Praetorian fail to cut for you? You have a strong opinion that it doesn't cut well. Where does that opinion come from? Your opinion is your opinion but don't critize others WHO ACTUALLY OWN THE KNIFE for spreading misinformation. So tell us how it failed to cut things for you...

And Raphael, you know me. I'm not a BSer. From my reading of all the responses only the actual owners of the Praetorian have addressed your question. I like to hike and camp but I don't like to carry around a big fixed blade and while I do carry a Junglas for chopping up wood I don't always have it with me during day hikes, etc. I don't carry a hatchet either - too heavy. In a survival situation the Praetorian would be my preference because it's relatively small compared to the aforementioned tools so you can wear it on your belt and I'm much more likely to have this on me in a jam in the woods then a machete or hatchet. I'm not saying that it's the ideal tool for survival or whatever, I'm just pinting out in what situation it beats the XM. And you know I have a few of those too...
 
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The knife is cool. Definitely not my first choice for a user, but I'd like to have one just for show.
 
Maprik said:
I paid $700 for mine because it's a custom and because it's unique and I think it looks cool. So Chum, are you speaking from experience? How did the Praetorian fail to cut for you? You have a strong opinion that it doesn't cut well. Where does that opinion come from? Your opinion is your opinion but don't critize others WHO ACTUALLY OWN THE KNIFE for spreading misinformation. So tell us how it failed to cut things for you...
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Good point.
I do notice you didn't mention it's cutting ability as one of your reasons for purchasing it. You didn't tell your experience with it's cutting ability either. ;)

For most of our mundane cutting chores, I'm sure that knife would suffice.

Did the maker of the knife have an intended role in mind when he made it? I would like to know.
 
Nullity said:
Good point.
I do notice you didn't mention it's cutting ability as one of your reasons for purchasing it. You didn't tell your experience with it's cutting ability either. ;)

For most of our mundane cutting chores, I'm sure that knife would suffice.

Did the maker of the knife have an intended role in mind when he made it? I would like to know.
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My main reason for purchasing it was to have a chopper in a small package on my waist while camping and hiking instead of carrying a fixed blade, machete, or hatchet. Raphael asked for a reason why a Praetorian could be better than an XM. I offered my point of view which has been criticized as misinformation because the Praetorian is apparently no sharper than a rock. My point is that someone who actually owns the knife might be better suited to offer an opinion than someone who bases their opinion on what it looks like or their own knife prejudices...

I will agree though that the main purpose for buying a Praetorian is the aesthetics or "art" as it's been called. Like an XM - it's the intangibles that define it, not it's ability to cut better than anything else around.
 
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Maprik said:
I'm not the one who said that it doesn't cut any better than a rock... Raphael asked for a reason why a Praetorian could be better than an XM. I provided my opinion based on my experience with the knife. My point is that someone who actually owns the knife might be better suited to offer an opinion than someone who bases their opinion on what it looks like or their own knife prejudices...
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Yeah. I guess those of us who do not own the knife should have simply stated some facts about blade geometry and let the OP look at the knife's specifications and make their own decision about the knife's cutting ability.

Obviously the OP wants the knife. I say buy it. You can't fight what your eyes want, no matter how illogical. :)
 
Maprik said:
My main reason for purchasing it was to have a chopper in a small package on my waist while camping and hiking instead of carrying a fixed blade, machete, or hatchet. Raphael asked for a reason why a Praetorian could be better than an XM. I offered my point of view which has been criticized as misinformation...
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Please, show us some evidence of how well your .25 inch plus folder with the low sabre grind is a good cutter and or chopper.
 
I had a G10 model that I traded into. Not terribly impressed. The thin, narrow scale and lock side had sharp edges everywhere and blade height was almost cartoony on proportion. Due to the blade height it was not very pocketable when folded. It was a well put together knife but I don't see the value when looking at the materials, construction and no warranty if disassembled.

I didn't see anything in the knife that would make it a better chopper than any other folder except maybe weight.

The XM was a better real world knife IMO. But again for the money, they don't do much for me either.
 
Please make a video of you chopping with this knife. I would very much like to see that.

Maprik said:
My main reason for purchasing it was to have a chopper in a small package on my waist while camping and hiking instead of carrying a fixed blade, machete, or hatchet. .
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ceptor781 said:
I had a G10 model that I traded into. Not terribly impressed. The thin, narrow scale and lock side had sharp edges everywhere and blade height was almost cartoony on proportion. Due to the blade height it was not very pocketable when folded. It was a well put together knife but I don't see the value when looking at the materials, construction and no warranty if disassembled.

I didn't see anything in the knife that would make it a better chopper than any other folder except maybe weight.

The XM was a better real world knife IMO. But again for the money, they don't do much for me either.
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Pretty much this but add the jimping is stupid sharp and hurts. and the finish was not that great pocket clip looked crappy(they didnt take out the terrible grind lines) and the screws in the handle were black and some of the coating was worn off. And it was brand new from a authorized dealer. The size in the pocket wasnt a issue for me though.

I also think the hinderer is a all around better knife. But at the 700 dollar range I think they are both over priced. Your in custom range there and neither of them are customs.
 
Maprik said:
My main reason for purchasing it was to have a chopper in a small package on my waist while camping and hiking instead of carrying a fixed blade, machete, or hatchet. Raphael asked for a reason why a Praetorian could be better than an XM. I offered my point of view which has been criticized as misinformation because the Praetorian is apparently no sharper than a rock. My point is that someone who actually owns the knife might be better suited to offer an opinion than someone who bases their opinion on what it looks like or their own knife prejudices...

I will agree though that the main purpose for buying a Praetorian is the aesthetics or "art" as it's been called. Like an XM - it's the intangibles that define it, not it's ability to cut better than anything else around.
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That knife weighs 11 oz. A Silky Super Accel 210 folding saw weighs 7 oz. I wonder which is more useful for wood processing.

If you're buying a knife for intangible reasons, you're getting ripped off. Limited production knives or "mid techs" are not pieces of art. They are knives. They are supposedly meant to be used as tools for something. If they are a terrible design for functioning as a tool then people need to know that before purchase. If people want to buy a knife because it's cool and makes them feel good that's great. If someone wants to spend his $700 on a Praetorian or a Hinderer that's his business. If someone makes a thread asking for people to comment then it's fair game for others to comment on the negative aspects. If you don't like that, then you or anyone else who owns one can post evidence showing how awesome this knife is for chopping and slicing to prove everyone who said otherwise wrong. Until that happens it's very, very safe to look at this knife and judge how it will perform based on the specs and comparing it with other knives.
 
Maprik said:
Won't cut what well? Paper? If you want to cut through a tree branch the size of your wrist the praetorian will chop through it pretty quick. XM or an Opinel might take a bit longer to whittle. Again, what is the purpose of the knife? If you don't like carrying a fixed blade chopper on your hip then the praetorian in a belt sheath could be your solution.
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Just to make sure I've got this straight, a folder like the Praetorian is a replacement for a fixed blade chopper, an XM is in the same class as an Opinel (paper cutter), and your definition of "chop pretty quick" and mine are very different.
 
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