Pre order lottery, seriously?

Blues Bender said:
This is not the economy we are discussing, so this makes no sense at all. The country will not fail if people refuse to buy knives at a markup.

If you want to try and get political, take it somewhere else:thumbup:
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Reading comprehension not your strong suit, huh?

I'll type real slowly so you can keep up: Capitalism is an economic model, not a political one.

But nice try.
 
Seth Green said:
Reading comprehension not your strong suit, huh?

I'll type real slowly so you can keep up: Capitalism is an economic model, not a political one.

But nice try.
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Type a little slower, we wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.
 
For me if it was the right maker I'd be in. Jens makes a great knife but not my cup of tea. Carey, Rogers, Laconico, Rexford or many others I would be all over this. For me the only reason I enter a lottery is because that is my only realistic chance at getting a knife from a top tier maker at table price. So I totally get what Jens is doing and think it is actually pretty cool.
Now you wanna talk jacked I have been seen individuals sell tickets at a $100 bucks a pop just to have a chance to own a knife. Granted only 25 sold but for a knife that goes for $1000 table tell me who is the crazy one. Buyer or the seller?
IMO anybody can do anything they want in this crazy game its how you react that makes it what it is. My .02 take it or leave it. Crazy nut job rant over.
Cheers
 
People have different taste. Will a custom $4000 s35vn blade "outperform" a $400 s35vn blade? Idunno. Will a $400 s35vn blade "outperform" a $130 m390 blade? Idunno. Will a $130 blade outperform a $5 blade? Yup. I have to draw the line at this one ;)
Point is who cares how people spend their money. If it makes the dude/dudette happy let em. Who are we to judge each others personal taste/hobbies. Don't support what you don't believe in? Idunno :D
 
Seth Green said:
Reading comprehension not your strong suit, huh?

I'll type real slowly so you can keep up: Capitalism is an economic model, not a political one.

But nice try.
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Your argument is border-line political. If anything, reading and writing are not your strong suit.

Since you seem to enjoy making this a personal discussion about myself, feel free to PM me. You're a big boy, and also a paying member, so I see no need to continue this discussion here on the public side of this forum:thumbup:
 
I've been saying the same thing... Most of the knives I make are used hard. I charge a reasonable price of 200-400 typically. Every one is a true handmade custom, majority of which are built completely in-house. I'm not in it to make money. This is my passion.

On a side note, you rarely see a CMFTW up for (re)sale.

If I get big enough that people buy my knives only to sell at a profit... I'm cutting that customer off.
 
Charlie Mike said:
I've been saying the same thing... Most of the knives I make are used hard. I charge a reasonable price of 200-400 typically. Every one is a true handmade custom, majority of which are built completely in-house. I'm not in it to make money. This is my passion.

On a side note, you rarely see a CMFTW up for (re)sale.

If I get big enough that people buy my knives only to sell at a profit... I'm cutting that customer off.
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What if it gets to the point that 90% of your customers are in it for profit? Would you only cater to the 10%?
Passion is definately a reason for drive, but you also need exposure to get your work out there.

It may also be hard to know if someone is "in it to win it" or not.
 
Blues Bender said:
What if it gets to the point that 90% of your customers are in it for profit? Would you only cater to the 10%?
Passion is definately a reason for drive, but you also need exposure to get your work out there.

It may also be hard to know if someone is "in it to win it" or not.
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Yes, I will stick to my morals.

BE the change
 
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Even if you can afford to buy a new Lexus SUV, there's joy in getting a great deal on a used Toyota Highlander. But that isn't true for everyone. Values issue.
 
miguet said:
Even if you can afford to buy a new Lexus SUV, there's joy in getting a great deal on a used Toyota Highlander. But that isn't true for everyone. Values issue.
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Word.

And if you can afford a Lexus SUV, and you're boring enough to buy one instead of the myriad more interesting vehicles that you could avail yourself of, then there's no accounting for taste either ;)
 
I don't see the issue here?

If there was one, there would be no such thing as a "pre-order lottery"

Some may not like it, but try to remember that everyone is different.

Giving someone a free shot to get into your books when otherwise the opportunity is not there sounds like a cool thing to do, but that's just my humble opinion.
 
What is the big deal here? I agree with JR88. It would seem to me to be a positive thing that the maker is giving the avg joe an opportunity to get one of their knives, when thy otherwise never would. How is that bad? If you can't afford a high end knife how is that the makers fault? Heck, I would like to have a new Porsche gt, but those turds won't make one affordable to me.......and by gosh I would like to have one. Guess I'll just have to buy one of those hundreds of other cars out there.
 
folder geek said:
For me if it was the right maker I'd be in. Jens makes a great knife but not my cup of tea. Carey, Rogers, Laconico, Rexford or many others I would be all over this. For me the only reason I enter a lottery is because that is my only realistic chance at getting a knife from a top tier maker at table price. So I totally get what Jens is doing and think it is actually pretty cool.
Now you wanna talk jacked I have been seen individuals sell tickets at a $100 bucks a pop just to have a chance to own a knife. Granted only 25 sold but for a knife that goes for $1000 table tell me who is the crazy one. Buyer or the seller?
IMO anybody can do anything they want in this crazy game its how you react that makes it what it is. My .02 take it or leave it. Crazy nut job rant over.
Cheers
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I'm new to this idea so please pardon the question. In this hypothetical lottery of 25 tickets are sold and one ticket buyer "wins" who audits the lottery? There is the issue of randomness and honesty. Powerball type lotteries are audited by CPA firms. There is a lot of bs going on with raffles that aren't audited.
 
BBuser said:
I'm new to this idea so please pardon the question. In this hypothetical lottery of 25 tickets are sold and one ticket buyer "wins" who audits the lottery? There is the issue of randomness and honesty. Powerball type lotteries are audited by CPA firms. There is a lot of bs going on with raffles that aren't audited.
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All online lotteries I've seen/entered are audited by the person running the lottery. I have never seen a impartial third party as officiate. IMO I would say out of all the lotteries(knives, gadgets, gear) I have entered maybe only a couple at most seemed shady.
Call me naive but I trust and believe the people I hang with.
Good question btw.
Cheers
 
I think that if someone has invested enough of their time, effort, and money into building a desirable brand/product/service, they deserve to reap the rewards. If a Knifemaker can earn a living selling his/her wares based on a customer lottery system, more power to 'em. If they open their books, have ten years worth of work reserved and customers that are still willing to wait in the queue for 'their turn', so be it.

But I'm sure even the most in-demand Maker has customers who flake-out on their orders or disappear when their turn comes around. I can see there being spontaneous gaps in the Maker's production schedule. How would one fill these gaps and still be fair to their customers in waiting? A lottery perhaps? Who knows...

As to the knife-flippers, well, profiteers will always be around like seagulls on a wharf. Swoop and snatch. If you want what they have, you pay their price (or you don't) and move on.

I do have an issue with Makers who misrepresent the wait time to deliver. I once placed an order with a well-known Maker and was told 18 weeks for completion. I waited over 2 years with no response to my casual order status requests (which amounted to maybe 3-4 e-mails over the course,) so I sent a polite e-mail to let him know that I was no longer interested. That, too, went unacknowledged. If he had told me from the get-go that he was too busy to accept new orders, I may have considered future business. Sadly, that bridge is burned. I still marvel at his knives, though.

Just my 2¢... :)

-Brett
 
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