Problem Customers

Well granted there would be unwanted issues but supposing those that needed the modern amenities for health would not lose that ... just a blanket statement on my part as a view of what societies becoming ...

So your point is well taken Insipid Moniker Insipid Moniker ... sadly just new generations not learning how to interact socially unless they sit in opposite rooms texting away on their phones.

My apology if my post seemed a bit cold ... I don't consider myself old but I grew up in the midwest when a handshake was as good as a contract and just sad to see how things have changed so drastically.
 
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Of course you'd kill a whole passle of people like me with various medical conditions, but small price there, eh, partner?
The Golgafrinchans are a race of humanoid beings who realized that there were three types of beings on the planet of Golgafrincham. Thinkers, Workers, and the strange Middle Class.

The middle class comprised of hair dressers, lawyers, telephone sanitisers, and other such "worthless jobs".

The Thinkers built a ship and told the third class that the planet was to be consumed by a "giant space goat". So they built a ship and sent off their third class. Telling them that they would follow soon. The Third class ended up on Earth, "mucking up the program to determine the ultimate question", while the rest of the classes were killed off by a raging disease contracted from public telephones. Golgafrincham itself soon after was consumed by a giant space goat.
 
Well granted there would be unwanted issues but supposing those that needed the modern amenities for health would not lose that ... just a blanket statement on my part as a view of what societies becoming ...

So your point is well taken Insipid Moniker Insipid Moniker ... sadly just new generations not learning how to interact socially unless they sit in opposite rooms texting away on their phones.

My apology if my post seemed a bit cold ... I don't consider myself old but I grew up in the midwest when a handshake was as good as a contract and just sad to see how things have changed so drastically.
You're all good, mostly just a reminder to think those things through. ;)

I honestly don't entirely disagree with you, but I also find there are still loads of good, trustworthy folks out there. I just don't stick my neck out too far, just in case.
 
I don't disagree there are still good people out there ... I even like to think more good then bad ... but things have changed ... as is natures process ... just not always for the better ... good news is we can change things if we all take a mind to ...

and you're correct about me making a blanket statement without considering some of the other consequences ...

I'm honestly just happy that for the most part the people on our forums are good people ... I can't say that about a few other forums or groups I visit from time to time.
 
For me it's time wasters

I don't sell knives (watch straps), but I sometimes get customers (not really as they don't buy) who ask a lot of questions and then buy elsewhere.

Had one guy ask 12 questions in separate emails and then post on the forum on where he could buy said items. I replied "how about from the guy you emailed 12 times".

Same for another who then went and bought from another seller, but emailed me to buy new buckles as he didn't like the color on the straps (told him no).

Got a girl last year that sent 30 emails and when she finally decided. Never sent payment and never heard back

Been doing this for 20 years and have a flake folder for people like these. The ones I will not sell to

Few and far between, but a good number of them over 20 years

Never got anyone rude. They just waste my time

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I rarely have problems with customers but I also screen them before committing to anything so that helps. If they seem like a problem I just tell them I don’t have time to take their custom order at this time.

I had a guy a while back order three knives. He was a friend of a friend. In the spirit of all the GBU threads that say never pay up front, I don’t take money in advance. He wanted two normal hunters and a stupid zombie killer looking tanto blade chopper thing. He constantly asked for progress updates and pictures, and would post the pictures to his Facebook and insta about how his knives were coming along. Once I finished the knives and told him they were ready, communication dried up. I made multiple attempts to contact him, and eventually he said that he couldn’t pay for them and didn’t think they would cost that much. The price I gave him was already below the price I had quoted him in writing. I offered to drop a bit more to get them gone, and he still said it was too much money. The two hunters were easy to sell, but the stupid tanto is still sitting in a case 2 years later. Needless to say I didn’t respond when he later asked if I could make him a chefs knife.

I also donate a knife every year to a fundraiser, and have had a few issues there. One year, the guy in charge called me every day for a month, and showed up at my house 3 times to see how the knife was going. This is a donation, that they aren’t paying for, that I agreed to make, and said I would deliver the morning of the auction. A couple years later, I agreed to donate a knife again, and was contacted asking when they could pick one. I explained that it’s a donation, they don’t get to pick, I am giving them something free and I will decide what that item is. He still wanted to have a say in it and wanted to stop by in a few minutes to pick from what I had on hand. I told him their knife was not ready, and everything I have on hand belongs to someone who hasn’t picked it up or had it shipped yet. I still donate to this group but both of those people are no longer part of it so it’s smooth now.

I also get a ton of pictures sent to me asking “can you make me something like this” or “how much would a knife like this cost me”. When I give them a price, I have had a few say, “that’s too much man, what could I get for $75” to whixh I respond that I don’t make $75 knives. One guy flipped out and said “well what could I get for $75 then if you want to be a dick?” I emailed him a picture of a handle block of ironwood and a 5 inch piece of Damascus bar stock, and said “either one of those, exactly how they sit right there, because that’s what $75 buys me for materials.

Honestly my biggest frustration is just the people who don’t read descriptions. When I post something for sale, it’s always the same format and includes pictures of the knife and sheath. Price, description, blade steel, handle material, dimensions, sheath information, in that order. I constantly get messages asking how much is this knife, how big is this knife, is this knife stainless steel, what kind of handle is that, does it come with the sheath? I regularly have people ask “is this still available” and never respond when I say it is. I think this is mainly due to not being well known, and not selling overly expensive knives, combined with it being mostly through Facebook. That combination seems to really bring in those tire kickers and dummies.
 
^^ Haha that's the way to be.

Back to topic , I can't imagine having a whiny , nagging customer hound me day and night for a knife (or whatever product). I think some people think that they're the ONLY customer in the world and that they come before anything and everything else.
My hats off to the knife makers who constantly have to deal with such annoyances.

But then again some makers can take any little thing wrong. I once had a knife commission idea and only asked for four different redesigns, a 50% price drop, scales made from the Jawbone of a T-rex and for the entire thing to light up from within. He kept having me repeat it, as he called more and more people over, ( I guess it was to make sure it was done perfectly) and somebody there must have been clowning around instead of working because they were all laughing a lot at something. Finally he told me that his shop wasn't set up to make a blade of that caliber and then gave me the number of a few other makers (who all seemed to know I was gonna call somehow) and the entire repeating thing went on again including the laughing so I think every shop must have a joker like the first one did. I never did find anyone who would make it, but they were all very nice and told me next time i came up with something they wanted to tape record my idea! Pretty cool, huh?
 
I rarely have problems with customers but I also screen them before committing to anything so that helps. If they seem like a problem I just tell them I don’t have time to take their custom order at this time.

I had a guy a while back order three knives. He was a friend of a friend. In the spirit of all the GBU threads that say never pay up front, I don’t take money in advance. He wanted two normal hunters and a stupid zombie killer looking tanto blade chopper thing. He constantly asked for progress updates and pictures, and would post the pictures to his Facebook and insta about how his knives were coming along. Once I finished the knives and told him they were ready, communication dried up. I made multiple attempts to contact him, and eventually he said that he couldn’t pay for them and didn’t think they would cost that much. The price I gave him was already below the price I had quoted him in writing. I offered to drop a bit more to get them gone, and he still said it was too much money. The two hunters were easy to sell, but the stupid tanto is still sitting in a case 2 years later. Needless to say I didn’t respond when he later asked if I could make him a chefs knife.

I also donate a knife every year to a fundraiser, and have had a few issues there. One year, the guy in charge called me every day for a month, and showed up at my house 3 times to see how the knife was going. This is a donation, that they aren’t paying for, that I agreed to make, and said I would deliver the morning of the auction. A couple years later, I agreed to donate a knife again, and was contacted asking when they could pick one. I explained that it’s a donation, they don’t get to pick, I am giving them something free and I will decide what that item is. He still wanted to have a say in it and wanted to stop by in a few minutes to pick from what I had on hand. I told him their knife was not ready, and everything I have on hand belongs to someone who hasn’t picked it up or had it shipped yet. I still donate to this group but both of those people are no longer part of it so it’s smooth now.

I also get a ton of pictures sent to me asking “can you make me something like this” or “how much would a knife like this cost me”. When I give them a price, I have had a few say, “that’s too much man, what could I get for $75” to whixh I respond that I don’t make $75 knives. One guy flipped out and said “well what could I get for $75 then if you want to be a dick?” I emailed him a picture of a handle block of ironwood and a 5 inch piece of Damascus bar stock, and said “either one of those, exactly how they sit right there, because that’s what $75 buys me for materials.

Honestly my biggest frustration is just the people who don’t read descriptions. When I post something for sale, it’s always the same format and includes pictures of the knife and sheath. Price, description, blade steel, handle material, dimensions, sheath information, in that order. I constantly get messages asking how much is this knife, how big is this knife, is this knife stainless steel, what kind of handle is that, does it come with the sheath? I regularly have people ask “is this still available” and never respond when I say it is. I think this is mainly due to not being well known, and not selling overly expensive knives, combined with it being mostly through Facebook. That combination seems to really bring in those tire kickers and dummies.


With due respect, you give people like those you describe too much of your time. It's the one thing we can't get more of, don't waste it on idiots.

It doesn't come with a sheath...
 
But then again some makers can take any little thing wrong. I once had a knife commission idea and only asked for four different redesigns, a 50% price drop, scales made from the Jawbone of a T-rex and for the entire thing to light up from within. He kept having me repeat it, as he called more and more people over, ( I guess it was to make sure it was done perfectly) and somebody there must have been clowning around instead of working because they were all laughing a lot at something. Finally he told me that his shop wasn't set up to make a blade of that caliber and then gave me the number of a few other makers (who all seemed to know I was gonna call somehow) and the entire repeating thing went on again including the laughing so I think every shop must have a joker like the first one did. I never did find anyone who would make it, but they were all very nice and told me next time i came up with something they wanted to tape record my idea! Pretty cool, huh?
Pretty cool indeed :p
 
I build bits, buckles, Spurs, jewelry. It’s all the same with the customer base as any other business in my experience. I rarely get a phone call for an order, usually a text. I’m fortunate that most of my clients give a brand or logo and have me design the rest. I send them a rendition and start work after approval.

I never took money up front until a few years ago. Two people I knew out of the hundreds of customers, gave me the run around about payment. Now, I take about a 1/3 down for a deposit from everyone. It’s not alot of money to the people I deal with, but enough to keep them from bailing on me. I’ve been very fortunate with the people I’ve worked for.
 
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