Problems with the sebenza?

FlaMtnBkr · Dec 8, 2010

kawr said:
LOL. Post links to these supposed comments about people needing to sand down their washers on Sebenzas or you are just a troll. Biggest pile of crap I've ever heard. I'm guessing if they are stupid enough to sand down bronze phospherous washers than they are probably trying to open the knife with their face and that is understandably difficult to do and I would agree with them then that the Sebbie is very hard to open.

You do realize you sound much more like a troll than the OP? But that is not a first for you. So someone can't come to the forum and ask a legitimate question about a knife he is about to drop a large sum of cash on without being called a troll? You must realize that nothing is a sure bet 100% of the time right? Mistakes can and do happen? You must not be much of a Chris Reeve fan because as was mentioned this exact topic was on the first page of his forum here at BF. Probably just regurgitating the fanboy, knee jerk reactions you have read with no actual experience.

Just so you know, although he used the wrong term, the bushing can be off and require it to be sanded to get a good action. He just said washer instead of bushing. If you want to hear a "pile of crap" you might want to read some of your posts again, including this one.

Shame on everyone that gave the guy a hard time because 'your precious' Sebenza was questioned. The elitism surrounding the Sebenza is just another thing to add to my list of reasons why not to buy one.

cziv · Dec 8, 2010

FlaMtnBkr said:
You do realize you sound much more like a troll than the OP? But that is not a first for you. So someone can't come to the forum and ask a legitimate question about a knife he is about to drop a large sum of cash on without being called a troll? You must realize that nothing is a sure bet 100% of the time right? Mistakes can and do happen? You must not be much of a Chris Reeve fan because as was mentioned this exact topic was on the first page of his forum here at BF. Probably just regurgitating the fanboy, knee jerk reactions you have read with no actual experience.

Just so you know, although he used the wrong term, the bushing can be off and require it to be sanded to get a good action. He just said washer instead of bushing. If you want to hear a "pile of crap" you might want to read some of your posts again, including this one.

Shame on everyone that gave the guy a hard time because 'your precious' Sebenza was questioned. The elitism surrounding the Sebenza is just another thing to add to my list of reasons why not to buy one.

+1 The guy comes in and asks a legitimate question which has had threads and even a YT video addressing his question and he's abused by a couple of (chose your expletives) called a troll, what a punch in the face on his first post. I'm glad you good guys, stepped up.

Thalestin · Dec 8, 2010

I think one of the problems with send is that people sometimes expect them to open very quickly. In my experience sebs open smoothly but not as quickly as a bm or spyderco in most cases. However, I love my seb and it is my favorite edc

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Incahiker · Dec 8, 2010

I have had 5 sebenzas, and they open, like everyone else said, smooth as glass. It should be extremely easy to open. It does not pop open like a benchmade, but opens slowly, very smoothly, with little force. Should feel like ice sliding on ice. I don't doubt that there could be a sebenza with tolerances a little off, but for the most part you are safe getting a sebenza. No one is perfect, but the fit and finish of all mine so far have been.

marthinus · Dec 8, 2010

FlaMtnBkr said:
Just so you know, although he used the wrong term, the bushing can be off and require it to be sanded to get a good action. He just said washer instead of bushing.

kawr · Dec 8, 2010

FlaMtnBkr said:
You do realize you sound much more like a troll than the OP? But that is not a first for you. So someone can't come to the forum and ask a legitimate question about a knife he is about to drop a large sum of cash on without being called a troll? You must realize that nothing is a sure bet 100% of the time right? Mistakes can and do happen? You must not be much of a Chris Reeve fan because as was mentioned this exact topic was on the first page of his forum here at BF. Probably just regurgitating the fanboy, knee jerk reactions you have read with no actual experience.

Just so you know, although he used the wrong term, the bushing can be off and require it to be sanded to get a good action. He just said washer instead of bushing. If you want to hear a "pile of crap" you might want to read some of your posts again, including this one.

Shame on everyone that gave the guy a hard time because 'your precious' Sebenza was questioned. The elitism surrounding the Sebenza is just another thing to add to my list of reasons why not to buy one.

I own a Large 21 so I'm definitly a fan of CRK and I can say whatever I want about it. Unlike you who thinks so highly of yourself that you feel it necessary to comment on something you have zero experience of. One simple search would reveal exactly the kind of build quality and knife you are getting with the Sebenza because its easily the most talked about knife and there are probably thousands of threads. So he came off sounding like a troll. Just like how you come off like a complete loser everytime you post. Its like you're always mad about something and trying to impose your pathetic ideals and opinions on everyone. Anger management bro. Keep up the e-thug attitude, whatever lets you sleep at night. BTW I've been told by many people on this very forum how they all hate your guts. Maybe you should get a clue and stop posting. Then again I really do enjoy seeing you get pissed off all the time over every little thing

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Reeek · Dec 8, 2010

Smooth doesn't mean loose. I think those two distinctions need to be emphasized.

Cynic2701 · Dec 8, 2010

Reeek said:
Smooth doesn't mean loose. I think those two distinctions need to be emphasized.

Yes. To further clarify: every Sebenza I've handled (~12) has a resistance that must be overcome when opening/closing.

That resistance, which is relatively higher (more force) in comparison to a BM Axis-lock knife, is made smooth by having a consistent amount of resistance throughout the entire movement of the blade.

A BM Axis-lock might have less force resisting the opening/closing of the blade, but a Sebenza's resistance is more consistent.

link2derek · Dec 8, 2010

No can do, amigo -- keepin' my larges. I'd actually like to pick up another large for myself after the holdays (an LE would be sweet). . . .

cziv said:
How about selling me a large 21 link2derek. :thumbup:

link2derek · Dec 8, 2010

Good point -- how "smooth" a folder opens is relative to your other experiences. For example, although my Sebs are "smooth," they are not nearly as smooth as my BM940's, which fly open with almost no effort. So if you have been carrying a 940 for years, then you would probably think a Seb is "stiff." Again, it's all relative.

Thalestin said:
I think one of the problems with send is that people sometimes expect them to open very quickly. In my experience sebs open smoothly but not as quickly as a bm or spyderco in most cases. However, I love my seb and it is my favorite edc .

baberuth 43 · Dec 8, 2010

Alright so thank you all very much for the reassurance in the sebenza, i shall try to order when i get the chance. And sorry to all those who i offended by this post i didn't realize that asking a question about something so expensive was in the ten commandments

anyways once again thank you all for the help.

link2derek · Dec 8, 2010

Be sure to update us after you acquire your Seb.

Also, just a thought, you may want to consider getting a "pre-loved" Seb that's been broken in and is a bit less expensive than a new one. They do show up in the Sales forum now and again (you need to be a Gold Member, though), and it wouldn't be a bad way to go for your first Seb.

baberuth 43 said:
Alright so thank you all very much for the reassurance in the sebenza, i shall try to order when i get the chance. And sorry to all those who i offended by this post i didn't realize that asking a question about something so expensive was in the ten commandments anyways once again thank you all for the help.

FlaMtnBkr · Dec 8, 2010

kawr said:
I own a Large 21 so I'm definitly a fan of CRK and I can say whatever I want about it. Unlike you who thinks so highly of yourself that you feel it necessary to comment on something you have zero experience of. One simple search would reveal exactly the kind of build quality and knife you are getting with the Sebenza because its easily the most talked about knife and there are probably thousands of threads. So he came off sounding like a troll. Just like how you come off like a complete loser everytime you post. Its like you're always mad about something and trying to impose your pathetic ideals and opinions on everyone. Anger management bro. Keep up the e-thug attitude, whatever lets you sleep at night. BTW I've been told by many people on this very forum how they all hate your guts. Maybe you should get a clue and stop posting. Then again I really do enjoy seeing you get pissed off all the time over every little thing .

Dude, grow up. Your immaturity and young age are obvious as yet again, you resort to making crap up and name calling.

RevDevil · Dec 8, 2010

link2derek said:
Be sure to update us after you acquire your Seb.

Also, just a thought, you may want to consider getting a "pre-loved" Seb that's been broken in and is a bit less expensive than a new one. They do show up in the Sales forum now and again (you need to be a Gold Member, though), and it wouldn't be a bad way to go for your first Seb.

You don't have to be gold to buy, only to sell

Christian · Dec 8, 2010

link2derek said:
Good point -- how "smooth" a folder opens is relative to your other experiences. For example, although my Sebs are "smooth," they are not nearly as smooth as my BM940's, which fly open with almost no effort. So if you have been carrying a 940 for years, then you would probably think a Seb is "stiff." Again, it's all relative.

I am experiencing this. I was edc'ing a BM 14200, which opens gravity knife smooth, and to me the Sebenza 21 is a lot "stiff". However, I am still edc'ing the seb to try to get used to it.

flipe8 · Dec 8, 2010

For what little it's worth, my experience with CRKs and Sebenzas in particular has become better since my first Small Regular a few years back. Like many here, I bought my first one based on reading how great they were, and was somewhat underwhelmed. I found flaws with it. Nothing major, but they were there. I then started to read the glowing reviews with a grain of salt dismissing some of the posts as simply too gaga to be taken too seriously, but continued to like my knife. After owning a few more with simlilar issues, I was quick to state my experiences when I felt too much Koolaid was being passed around, but still preferred them as my EDC of choice, because they simply came closest to the ideal EDC for me. In the last few years, I picked up a number of highly desired customs and it then became clear to me how well made the CRKs were, being better finished then any of them(as nice as they were). To top it off, the CRKs were(and are) much easier to pick up for more consistent prices. I also found the CRKs were coming to me with even sharper blades and fewer of those little things I could find in the earlier models I owned. Perhaps I just got less picky, but I think CRK is making better knives today than 5 years ago. And even when a flawed one gets out there into someone's hand, CRK will make it right.

I'd go for it:thumbup:
I still don't think they're perfect, but I don't think perfect is out there.

twid · Dec 8, 2010

I wanted to reply on the thread in the CRK forum but it got closed. Mine had the same problem as the OP in that thread, My pivot screw was loose new from the box, loose enough that I could twist it out with my fingers. When I tightened the pivot it was very hard to open the blade. I had to loosen both the pivot and the stop pin screws for the blade to open without it feeling like the blade was clamped between the handles. Pinched washer or not, I didn't assemble the knife and allow it to leave that way.
The pivot bushing and super tight tolerances are suppose to keep this from happening right? Not in my case and obviously others. I never made my own post about it because I thought mine was the only one like this and the response would be to send it in. It is still probably one of very few but I wasn't impressed with the Chris Reeve perfection. If you have a perfect one, and I mean perfect like the fans boys say CRK don't need breaking in, then good for you. It would have been nice if I had gotten one of those. I would probably buy another and be posting how great they are whenever I had the chance. But I didn't get a perfect one so this is my truth about my Sebenza.
Having to sand and take your knife apart and all that crap on a new knife of that quality and perfection is bullshit. Opening and closing your new knife thousands of times before it will operate smoothly is bull for any knife. I've never had to take a new knife apart to clean and relube for it to function as it was designed. No, not even my Strider. Yes, CRK will fix it but not without the "my sh*t doesn't stink" story about how they never let a knife like that leave the shop and how it must have been my fault for flicking the knife open or not reassembling it properly. WTF? It wasn't the defective knife but their CS response the completely turned me off from CRK.

marthinus · Dec 8, 2010

twid said:
I wanted to reply on the thread in the CRK forum but it got closed. Mine had the same problem as the OP in that thread, My pivot screw was loose new from the box, loose enough that I could twist it out with my fingers. When I tightened the pivot it was very hard to open the blade. I had to loosen both the pivot and the stop pin screws for the blade to open without it feeling like the blade was clamped between the handles. Pinched washer or not, I didn't assemble the knife and allow it to leave that way.
The pivot bushing and super tight tolerances are suppose to keep this from happening right? Not in my case and obviously others. I never made my own post about it because I thought mine was the only one like this and the response would be to send it in. It is still probably one of very few but I wasn't impressed with the Chris Reeve perfection. If you have a perfect one, and I mean perfect like the fans boys say CRK don't need breaking in, then good for you. It would have been nice if I had gotten one of those. I would probably buy another and be posting how great they are whenever I had the chance. But I didn't get a perfect one so this is my truth about my Sebenza.
Having to sand and take your knife apart and all that crap on a new knife of that quality and perfection is bullshit. Opening and closing your new knife thousands of times before it will operate smoothly is bull for any knife. I've never had to take a new knife apart to clean and relube for it to function as it was designed. No, not even my Strider. Yes, CRK will fix it but not without the "my sh*t doesn't stink" story about how they never let a knife like that leave the shop and how it must have been my fault for flicking the knife open or not reassembling it properly. WTF? It wasn't the defective knife but their CS response the completely turned me off from CRK.

Did you buy your sebenza new or used?

Do a search about Strider break in and Strider thumb. Was your strider new or used? If it was new and smooth. Lucky man!

edcrefiner · Dec 8, 2010

Looks like some people are WAY too proud of their Sebenza's. Face it some of them have flaws they are not perfect products.

Anyway, the one my buddy has very difficult to open. However, when it does open it is smooth as glass.

Danbo · Dec 8, 2010

Only problem I have with Sebenzas, is that they cost a lot and I can't afford more than the one in my pocket(Large Classic BG42, if anyone is curious)