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TWBryan

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Just wondering if HI would ever consider making a line of spearheads? I've looked all over the internet,and it seems nobody is making a high-quality spearhead. I know a Yari head would probably sell like hotcakes,as nobody seems to make them. What does everybody think?
 
I'd like to see the Movie Model developed into a true yataghan. It's almost there as it is, as it was based off the yataghans used in The Mummy Returns.

My suggestions:

- lose the double edged tip
- make the double curve of the blade slightly more pronounced
- make it with a handle more like the handle of the Uddha Sword
- make it slightly longer; about 23" would be perfect

I'd also like to see an H.I. Barong. :cool:
 
Wolf_1989 said:
I'd like to see the Movie Model developed into a true yataghan. It's almost there as it is, as it was based off the yataghans used in The Mummy Returns.
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I'd like to see that too. The yataghan of Suleyman the Magnificent in the Topkapi looks like a cross between a Kobra and an Uddha Sword, with a big bell pommel like a Chitlangi:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/Yatagan.jpg

There is a yataghan illustration in Richard Burton's The Book of the Sword (1884). Note the author's drawing, Fig. 122 on the left: it looks like a working version of Suleyman's sword. Burton used these blades and knew what a good one looked like.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Yataghan.png

I would also like to see an H.I. kilij:

http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=961
 
As it is, the Movie Model, being a light khukuri with a yataghan influence, is somewhat a mesopotamian sappara, which I find appealing in itself.

Many of those ancient swords were not very big, and if you were to go back in time to that place and period, the locals would recognize it as a sappara, albeit an odd one. At 20" it's pretty much in the same size class as many of the originals.

I'll probably snag a Movie Model someday if just the right one comes along.
 
TWBryan said:
Just wondering if HI would ever consider making a line of spearheads? I've looked all over the internet,and it seems nobody is making a high-quality spearhead. I know a Yari head would probably sell like hotcakes,as nobody seems to make them. What does everybody think?
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An HI Iklwa would be pretty friggin' cool... like a double-edged, guardless Bhutan sword or something.
 
I just think it's something no one appears to be doing. At least not a high quality version.
 
Any sort of polearm would be sweet. I could imagine a khukuri-like voulge or slingblade, but at the same time don't want to see the Kamis' talents stretched too thin.
 
There were periodic calls for axe heads... I think I may have even asked once. The explanation at the time from the late Bill M. had something to do with handles and the HI guarentee. I never really understood it. May have been standardization problems, and HI didn't want to be responsible for the handles.

I'd like to see a spear head that would of course double as a camp blade. And a axe head would be cool also.


munk
 
munk said:
There were periodic calls for axe heads... I think I may have even asked once. The explanation at the time from the late Bill M. had something to do with handles and the HI guarentee. I never really understood it. May have been standardization problems, and HI didn't want to be responsible for the handles.

I'd like to see a spear head that would of course double as a camp blade. And a axe head would be cool also.


munk
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Yeah, I never understood all of that either, as I was but a khukuri fledgling back in those days:) I'm pretty sure it had something to do with getting the axe "eyes" uniform as well as the demand for a do-it-yourself kit. Plus, pieces of wood take up room in the shipping boxes from Nepal where steel could be. Yangdu probably wouldn't get as much bang for her shipping buck.

We also have to remember, when a new item hits the forum it generally comes at a premium at first. The kamis have to learn how to make it, lots of trial and error, lots of expense. Once the kamis sort of get a handle on the project, the price generally comes down a bit. This is OK for a standard knife that anyone can pick up and use. However, something that requires it to be a "kit" of sorts, that might not be a money maker for HI.

Personally, I'm with you, Munk. I would like to see a camp knife/spear head combo. I have no idea if it is viable with the kami's set up, but I have always been a fan of the Cold Steel Bushman. A simple knife that would fit to a walking staff with just a little bit of whittling. I know that those are super cheap to make and buy, and that an HI version would be multiple times more expensive. However, it would be really cool:) The Bushman knives are cold rolled. I have no idea if it is fiscally possible for the Kamis to forge a one piece hollow handle or not:confused:

Heck, I would just be happy with a Falcata:D! Some how, some way, one of those is going to pop up on the DOTD when I have a little cash in my pocket. I've been lusting for one for 3 or 4 years now:p
 
I don´t really have a product suggestion, but I would love to see more of HI Khuks with curvier handles, they are so much more comfortable than the straight ones!!!
I truly believe adding some curvature ti the handles increases control and ergonomics on the blades. I know it would mean a little more work on the kamis part. But the result is more than worth the extra effort.
 
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marenoa said:
I truly believe adding some curvature ti the handles increases control and ergonomics on the blades.
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The issue of correct curvature or sori on modern manufactured Nihonto style swords was a major reason why I stopped buying them and got into Khukuri's ...please, please, please, don't let it happen again???

Munchi:eek: :grumpy: :(:barf: :confused:
 
i'd go for a proper yataghan, they don't need to be fancy, goat-herds (and revolutionaries) in the balkans frequently carried them for protection, made in local villagers, the karakulak (black eared) yataghan, simple, deadly. 22 in. blade, 5.5 in. black horn grips.
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(scabbard was made from an old cheap 'made in india' tulwar one i had lying about)

now if they could also make a 't' spine on it.....
 
Munchi Kool said:
The issue of correct curvature or sori on modern manufactured Nihonto style swords was a major reason why I stopped buying them and got into Khukuri's ...please, please, please, don't let it happen again???

Munchi:eek: :grumpy: :(:barf: :confused:
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Munchi, I didn't get it. Could you please explain yourself a little bit more?

Alejandro
 
marenoa said:
Could you please explain yourself a little bit more?

Alejandro
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Sorry to the confusion Alejandro but I bet I did it to more folks than just you! :(

Many modern Japanese sword (i.e. Katana's and Wakazashi's) manufactures make these blades with a sori (blade curvature) of 1inch such as this sword I own: http://www.lastlegend.com/05kat/mikusa/mikusa.html

but to make manufacturing easier and cheaper the sori is not continued into the tang/tsuka of the blade as is the case with most original Nihonto. What difference this may make is the subject of much debate but personally I would prefer the sori to be carried on for the entire length of the blade including the grip.

You can see the same issue expertly explained by Antonio Cejunior (Bladedesign)in relation to a modern manafactured Dha here:

http://www.arscives.com/bladesign/cozundha.remaking.htm

So my earlier cryptic comments, in expanded form, would be that I now have to say the same debate is present with regards whether the Khukuri should have a curved grip as per many antiques or if it is as straight as many models are at present due to ease of manufacture rather than having a more authentic but more expensive to make curved grip?

bruce putting flame suit on now...:o
 
Some of my H.I. Khukuris do have a noticeable curve to the grip, most notably my 21.5" Chitlangi (Sher) and my 20.25" Sirupati (Bura). It should also be noted these are my favorites.
 
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