Proposed Gun Ban, Off Topic.....BUT......

That is exactly the first step diceman, call your reps and make sure they know you aren't going to stand for this ignorance and if they do, you will remember it at re-election time.

Not only that, get your friends and neighbors off their arses, tell them to call their reps too. Trade their calls to their reps for future Christmas presents if you have to, just get the word out and get folks motivated.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
frightnening. im surprised this didnt start in california.
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NY has always been 2nd Amendment hostile.

This is the only state in which a law abiding citizen with a clean record can be convicted of a Felony for possessing a loaded handgun locked in the trunk of their car or stowed in an unoccupied motel room. No differentiation between carrying a concealed .50 AE Desert Eagle or having an antique target revolver in your luggage. Oh, and "loaded" is defined as an unloaded weapon near a box of ammo. Ammo must be "in a separate locked container."

Difficult to get an unrestricted (carry) permit in NY, and they do not honor the permits of other states. "Crime" is a Class D Felony (3-7 years) with mandatory minimum of 1 year incarceration and 5 years probation. 1st offenders can plead to "Attempted Criminal Possession of a Weapon" which is a Class E Felony. Furthermore, possession of an unlicensed handgun (outside of one's home or workplace) is classified as a "Violent Felony Offense" which means that your right to possess firearms will be lost forever . . . even a pardon from the Governor will not restore this right.
 
tyr_shadowblade said:
NY has always been 2nd Amendment hostile.

This is the only state in which a law abiding citizen with a clean record can be convicted of a Felony for possessing a loaded handgun locked in the trunk of their car or stowed in an unoccupied motel room. No differentiation between carrying a concealed .50 AE Desert Eagle or having an antique target revolver in your luggage. Oh, and "loaded" is defined as an unloaded weapon near a box of ammo. Ammo must be "in a separate locked container."

Difficult to get an unrestricted (carry) permit in NY, and they do not honor the permits of other states. "Crime" is a Class D Felony (3-7 years) with mandatory minimum of 1 year incarceration and 5 years probation. 1st offenders can plead to "Attempted Criminal Possession of a Weapon" which is a Class E Felony. Furthermore, possession of an unlicensed handgun (outside of one's home or workplace) is classified as a "Violent Felony Offense" which means that your right to possess firearms will be lost forever . . . even a pardon from the Governor will not restore this right.
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very similar to california law, we dont have the different classes of felony like ny, but the definitions are the same.
 
Rat-30 said:
Key words misapplied are ' Sporting Purpose '... doesn't have to make sense, just has to be enforced... :thumbdn:


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thatmguy said:
I believe a 12ga is 0.70 cal....and 10ga is larger still.
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Yup.

Take, for instance, the Saiga-12 shotgun, which is basically an AK-type shotgun. This is what it looks like in it's import-legal configuration:

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Mine looks like this:

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It was converted by Tromix, a federally licensed manufacturer, with the ATF's blessing.

The ATF has apparently determined that it is not importable with the pistol grip and a folding stock. (I say "apparently" because they don't seem to publish and rules or findings on this sort of thing. It appears to be handled through threats directed at the importers.) Under the Gun Control Act of 1968, a firearm is generally not importable unless it is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and the ATF seems to think that semi-automatic shotguns with detachable magazines (or a magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds) and pistol grips aren't sporting. But they don't have any problem with converting a Saiga-12 back to it's evil configuration so long as you use enough US made parts that it's considered a domestically produced shogun. And that's all fine and dandy, except that under the National Firearms Act of 1934 a 12 gauge shotgun is classified as a "destructive device" (requiring the same paperwork as a machine gun) unless it's generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes.

Anyway, according to the ATF, if you restore your Saiga to its proper configuration using foreign made parts, you've violated 18 USC 922r and bought yourself a trip to Club Fed because you've assembled a non-sporting shotgun from foreign parts. But the exact same thing, when assembled with the requisite number of US parts, is not regarded by the ATF as a "destructive device," which necessarily means, under 18 USC 921(a)(4)(B), that it is "a shotgun... which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes."
 
tyr_shadowblade said:
No differentiation between carrying a concealed .50 AE Desert Eagle or having an antique target revolver in your luggage.
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I have a .50AE Desert Eagle with a shoulder holster. I guarantee you that if you're big enough to carry a Desert Eagle and and keep it effectively concealed, you don't need no stinkin' gun.
 
I have always wondered why the gun banners state that hunting and sporting purposes will be unaffected. Since when did the Second Amendment say anything about hunting or sporting? We are talking about defending against enemies both domestic and foreign. There is nothing in the Second Amendment that protects hunting or any sporting purposes. "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

All Amendments to the Constitution pertain to individual rights but somehow the reconstructionists take this to be a state's right to a National Guard, years before the National Guard was ever created.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I'm glad this anti-gun bill has come up so quickly and is so extensive.

It doesn't stand a chance in hell of becoming law, and it reminds people of just how crazy liberals are. People have forgotten the types of things that liberals try to do when they get into power. This will be a good wake-up call.
 
Broos said:
I highly value my right to bear arms, & any gun control legislation is a sore spot to me. Any victory for them is just getting us one step closer to what they want - no guns in citizens hands.
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I agree with you there, however, I've found that it's mainly State and community laws that deteriorate the 2nd Am, and Common Law. And here it's legislator turned lawyers, both, Dems and Reps, who come up with more and more twists to hollow the " the right of the People to keep AND BEAR arms-part"

I always wondered what would happen if someone tells a LEO that he acted unconstituationally for reprimending a person that carries a 5" fixedblade?? Anybody ever done this?
 
I just sent my 2 cents to Rep. LaHood of IL and I urge you all to do the same to your respective Reps. if you have not done so already.
 
JohnTheTexican said:
I have a .50AE Desert Eagle with a shoulder holster. I guarantee you that if you're big enough to carry a Desert Eagle and and keep it effectively concealed, you don't need no stinkin' gun.
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I think this cmment is in jest, but if it's not. A 4' 11'' elderly woman can bring down the biggest man in the world with a gun. "God made man, but Sam Colt made them equal."

BTW I have contacted my rep even though is very pro gun and would never vote for this tripe.
 
My biggest problem with this is that it is divisive for the country. I’m just tired of the politicians kissing azz to their respective special interest to gain local votes to the detriment of the country; and that goes for all of them. We are just coming off of eight years of religious influence splitting us over abortion and gay rights; while large corporate citizens have used that power base to elect people to let them run lose and rob us all blind. Lets say for example Exxon and Chevron with combined annual earnings of about $60,000,000,000.00; they earn enough each year to just buy most major corporations! Now the new set of morons in congress have to try and drive the wedge further and run all their special agendas (like gun control) and split the country further. Of course they will also run an agenda to help out those that lined their pockets too... maybe that is Bank of America this time around.

I am reasonably pro gun so I don't like this proposed law. What does that mean? Well I live in a city and violence is very real so while I believe that anyone should be able to own just about any gun I do wish that to own one required some real training in both use and then also to properly secure the guns so they are not stolen from your home or used by a minor. To me if a minor gets one of your guns without you knowing… well you are just too stupid to walk the face of the earth and we should take care of that problem for you, before you add any more of that to the gene pool.

 
Pools kill 100X more kids than guns. There is no training required to own a pool.
 
INFI Kid said:
Pools kill 100X more kids than guns. There is no training required to own a pool.
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Well if we follow your logic to its end we wouldn't need to send surgens to medical school.

There is no training required to be a parent, and in my opinion dumb parents kill kids, that my be the problem.
 
Tony G said:
Well if we follow your logic to its end we wouldn't need to send surgens to medical school.

There is no training required to be a parent, and in my opinion dumb parents kill kids, that my be the problem.
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I agree, I was brought up around guns, taught to respect them. I used them and saw what they could do and punished if I did not. My father and mother Never had to worry about me or my siblings around guns. I think alot of it has to do with education, but there's always going to be some people no matter how educated are going to make the wrong choice. But I do agree with ya Tony
 
Tony G said:
Well if we follow your logic to its end we wouldn't need to send surgens to medical school.

There is no training required to be a parent, and in my opinion dumb parents kill kids, that my be the problem.
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The point was guns are no more dangerous than a million other things. They are just sensationalized by liberals and the media to be this great boogie man. Also I don't believe in requiring training of any kind. Who administers the training? It would end up being far too subjective and restrict peoples freedom.

You don't have a constititional right to be a Dr.
 
INFI Kid said:
The point was guns are no more dangerous than a million other things. They are just sensationalized by liberals and the media to be this great boogie man. Also I don't believe in requiring training of any kind. Who administers the training? It would end up being far too subjective and restrict peoples freedom.
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It just struck be but there is no training when buying a firearm but there is training for concealed carry or hunter education (both very boring). So I can buy the gun but I have to take a class to hunt with it or carry it what a crock. There were a few idiots at my cc class that I was not comfortable around and those few could definetely have used a safety class. But I do agree I hate required training and dont believe in all of it. You should not be allowed to vote on gun related issues unless you own a firearm. That would be fabulous.
 
Our tax dollars hard at work:rolleyes: They recently didn't renew it now they want to re-enstate it:confused: Genius!!
 
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