QC in production knife making

[JuJu-]

OK, we are right back onto the ZT again. Hey everybody, the cutout on the back of the flipper that I first called a QC issue might really just be a kludge.

kludge (or kluge) (klo̅o̅j):
A workaround or quick-and-dirty solution that is clumsy, inelegant, difficult to extend, yet an effective and quick solution to a problem.

There, I've set the record straight. Also in the original post. No misinformation. And I still love ZT, for the record. Just not this particular knife that I'm holding in my hand.

No sir, no you didn't.

 

[Ludwig]

Haha OP you chose the wrong company and the wrong model to use as your example for this thread

This is supposed to be about ALL production knives people - the ZT was just one example that OP felt there was an example of a blemish. Neither of my two 0560 knives had the groove either . . .

And when did $200 become an insignificant purchase in the knife world?

 

[JarrodS]

Oh good grief this had finally fallen off the first page of the forum and you just had to resurrect it?

 

[chester22]

Haha OP you chose the wrong company and the wrong model to use as your example for this thread

This is supposed to be about ALL production knives people - the ZT was just one example that OP felt there was an example of a blemish. Neither of my two 0560 knives had the groove either . . .

And when did $200 become an insignificant purchase in the knife world?

But only continued to attack ZT and there staff..


And as Stated the groove is on all new versions.

And to the OP saying the mark is inelegant.. ZT are hard use Tactical knives not pieces of Art.

 

[Ludwig]

But only continued to attack ZT and there staff..

He edited some of his posts but I have been following this thread since it first started and just reread everything JarrodS has written - an "attack" on ZT and their staff? Really? That wording might be a smidge on the strong side.

The guy apologizes too, praises the 0801 as near art, and has reached out to ZT to see what they have to say. This thread started out addressing the original topic of all production knives but everyone just hones in on the 0560 and ZT.

Oh good grief this had finally fallen off the first page of the forum and you just had to resurrect it?

Stick to your guns man - I think it is kludge-y as well.

 

[chester22]

He edited some of his posts but I have been following this thread since it first started and just reread everything JarrodS has written - an "attack" on ZT and their staff? Really? That wording might be a smidge on the strong side.

The guy apologizes too, praises the 0801 as near art, and has reached out to ZT to see what they have to say. This thread started out addressing the original topic of all production knives but everyone just hones in on the 0560 and ZT.



Stick to your guns man - I think it is kludge-y as well.

This isn't attacking them...

To those suggesting that you have to use magnification or special lighting to see these issues - NO. I plainly see them naked eye in my dimly lit office. Are they small? Yeah. But that's not the point - the point is someone used piss-poor technique to craft some parts of this knife and it shows. If that's what I wanted, I could have gone with a $15 flea market flipper.

It's a shame, really, to take such a high quality blade and then grind the lock face like a blind person on meth. Seriously it makes me sad. I'm not saying I expect it to look as if it were hand-honed by Rick Hinderer himself. Just basic shop technique that any 10th grader could have picked up in class.

 

[Quiet]

Daaaaahhhhmmnnn, even though the KAI section is gone, the watercarriers are still going to find it their duty to attack a guy for having an opinion that's not 100% positive about ZT. LOL Some things never change.

 

[chester22]

Here we go with the Fan Boy BS too.. I would go to bat for Spyderco, CRKT, SAKs etc too if they were wrongly accused.

But everyone's plays the FanBoi card .. It's easier then having the intelligent and fact based arguments.

 

[Quiet]

Here we go with the Fan Boy BS too.. I would go to bat for Spyderco, CRKT, SAKs etc too.

But everyone's plays the FanBoi card .. It's easier then knowing the truth.

Actually, no. Your posts in this thread make you out to be a fanboy. At least have the decency to own it, man. :thumbup:

 

[salmonkiller]

But only continued to attack ZT and there staff..


And as Stated the groove is on all new versions.

And to the OP saying the mark is inelegant.. ZT are hard use Tactical knives not pieces of Art.

I don't perceive the OP as attacking anyone, but I do have the opinion that he is being attacked. Please enlighten us as to what date that Kai in fact started putting grooves on The 0560's?Inelegant? Then why even offer carbon fiber on models or 3D machined milling on others?Is the 0770CF a tactical knife?I think that the trend is more towards the elegant and less tactical.I consider the 0560's TI scale quite a work of art, just like the 0600's.Is the 0454 is going to be more tactical or more like artwork?Very subjective..

Stick to your guns!

 

[nwmetalbug]

Have a feeling this is about to be shut down. Might want to just agree to disagree here and move on lol

 

[Ludwig]

This isn't attacking them...

The lockface grind is pretty rough . . . and meth really is becoming a problem in this country. Haven't you seen that show "Breakng Bad" - someone told me that is all based on a true story

Humor does not always come through well online. Instead of focusing on that one post, look at the broader message OP is trying to convey: are we really okay with "imperfections" like this on production knives? What have other members experienced and what is their take on it? Makes for good discussion so as long as the thread does not get sidetracked by one specific example . . .

And to the OP saying the mark is inelegant.. ZT are hard use Tactical knives not pieces of Art.

Hard use tactical knives is all marketing BS. Less than 5% of us max out the hard use capabilities of our knives just like less than 5% of drivers max out their sports cars. Knives have been around for over two million years - we have definitely managed to elevate them from being just tools to pieces of art (including all of the differing opinions and views that come with it).

 

[chester22]

From KAI Themselves..

This is a running change on 0560's and 0561 Series

We've added this to the machining process as a way to assist production in making the detent in the closed position more consistent. Not all designs will need this machining, but it works well with this one design.



You can take it for what it's worth but this is Fact and not speculative.


And yes, we'll all agree to disagree. I never had anything against the OP, just his observations and hope he'll find happiness with a ZT as they are excellent knives.

 

[rycen]

Discuss the knife not each other.

 

[salmonkiller]

200 bucks is a lot of money to some folks.If I fork out over 200 bucks for a knife I would expect to be happy with my purchase.It does not matter what brand knife I purchase I still would want to feel happy and satisfied that I made the right decision. It would not sit well with me If I found what I feel are QC issues with a brand new knife.Nothing is perfect in life and never will be from my experiences.The OP has stated his opinions and feeling and he is entitled to do so.I think that similar issues happen with all production knives regardless of who produces them.Off center blades,Machine marks,blade play that can't be adjusted, and other irritating issues that might not be an issue to some,but are to others.We all look at things differently, but we can also learn from each other on a forum like this one.Knives are a journey and I learn something everyday I have visited this forum.I am interested to learn if the grooves on the OP's knife are factually designed on the the newer 0560 models.I still have not seen any proof that that is in fact the case.I guess we will all find out if and when the OP posts the response he gets from KAI.......

 

[Karda]

Actually, no. Your posts in this thread make you out to be a fanboy. At least have the decency to own it, man. :thumbup:

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