Quality knife, easier to damage?

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I'm kinda mad at myself over this.

I've always been into knives but never had the budget to get anything of quality (more than $15-20) until a few years back when I bought a CRKT M16-04. Since then I have used and abused it, knife, chisel, screwdriver, EMT reamer, prodding/poking tool, etc. Thru all of that it still functions perfectly and looks great (even after many 5' to 25' drops). The only problem was the dull edge that my Klein sharpening tool just doesn't help anymore.

For the record I am an electrician (Commercial/Industrial) and used my CRKT hard in ways that most people wouldn't use a knife. One of my main uses for it was to strip heavy gauge wire (350-750MCM) and later use the knife to cut the tape off the head. This process involved the knife sliding across metal while cutting thick -insert plastic/rubber compound here- and sometimes stopping dead in it's tracks as the blade slammed into said metal at the end of the wire/head. However, as I mentioned, it has held up excellently.

So now I have a little more money and want a new knife since the CRKT is dull and unsharpenable by me. I opt for a benchmade 943 since I hear such great things about Benchmade and this model was recommended. It came with a black aluminum handle and a black coated blade that is half serrated. I vowed to never use this knife for anything other than cutting acceptable materials. So 2 days later I can count 30 things that I had to go get the utility knife to cut instead of using my trusty pocket knife, and only one thing that I actually cut, a piece of rope just to see how well the Benchmade worked (it worked well). Furthermore I noticed that two days of moving my keys passed the knife (clipped to the top of the pocket that I keep my keys in) has worn down the black on the back of the knife to a nice shiny silver color. The coating on the aluminum handle of my CRKT is perfect in that area, and the CRKT is larger so it would have more contact with my keys (and 3+ years worth of contact versus 2 days).

So now I have a $100 knife that I can't use for what I need and looks like crap because the coating had worn off in a way that just doesn't happen to my cheaper knife.

So a week ago I buy the Spyderco Native for $40 at Walmart, I wear it to work for 5 days, I use it for what I need (including many of the "heavy" tasks I mentioned at the beginning). The plain edge cut everything I needed and still looks great, and the handle does not have any signs of wear as the Benchmade did.

So what does this mean? Well I know that some elitists would complain about my uses for the knife, but if a $50 CRKT can handle a couple years worth of it, why not do it?
Other than that, I guess it means that cheaper knives may be better in some situations (or all situations for me).

I figured I'd just vent my frustrations, I'm still kinda mad that I paid $100+ for this Benchmade and scratched it up. It would have been excellent as a "formal wear" type of knife, if my car keys didn't do so much damage.

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Two things about the image: I recently took the clip off the CRKT when cleaning/CLPing it, I forgot to put it back on before taking the picture.
Second, you can see some of the worn area on the Benchmade, there is more to see when you look at it from the side. Also, I do not know how the clip got scratched.
 
The green coating on the 94x series is pretty fragile--I have a 940-- but I do not really think of the scratches as "damage." I consider the 94x series to be more of a basic "gent's" knife, but I have used mine pretty hard, and it shows it. The scratches are just cosmetic and do not affect the performance of the knife.

Maybe a knife with G10 handles is what you need. G10 does not scratch and is pretty indestructible--like the BM 710, or any number of Spydies ....
 
Chadilac said:
The green coating on the 94x series is pretty fragile--I have a 940-- but I do not really think of the scratches as "damage." I consider the 94x series to be more of a basic "gent's" knife, but I have used mine pretty hard, and it shows it. The scratches are just cosmetic and do not affect the performance of the knife.

Maybe a knife with G10 handles is what you need. G10 does not scratch and is pretty indestructible--like the BM 710, or any number of Spydies ....
I understand that the worn area is just cosmetic, but to me it's like buying a Mercedes and having the paint chip off on the ride home from the dealer. I wouldn't expect this from a knife manufacturer like Benchmade, it came as a shock and now I am regretting it.
 
From my experience the m16 series are very durable crude implements that are made for first responders, military and all others that need something of that caliber. The are equiped with a chisel grind and a tanto point both as a selling feature (both seem to be in vouge right now) and practical use purposes.

The benchmade, while not a gentlemans knife, is not geared to similar tasks. While I have no doubt that the benchmade will last for many years to come it may not do it while maintaining the appearance that it had originally.

I'm not sure what the blade material on the benchmade it but I'm willing to bet its a step up from the AUS8 that CRKT uses in the m16s. Not that AUS8 isnt great for exactly what CRKT put it in the M16 for, its not the same niche as the particular benchmade you bought.

I think you would have been happier with whatever benchmade calls the 552 thats 440c. Even the 552 would work, but its probably out of your price range.
 
Sure-Fire, if you just have to be mad at yourself it should be because you bought a half serrated blade to strip wire with. You need a smooth edge for that like your original CRKT or the Native. I would not worry about the black wearing off. I have a BM Presidio and the black is wearing off the clip on it too. I really prefer plain clips for that reason.

Why don't you have a professional knife man sharpen the CRKT? It still looks good to me and I am sure you could get a new edge put on it.

Just my 2 cents worth.
 
Though not an ideal fix, you may want to try alumnahyding the handle. Its leaves a very durable, nonslip finish that many people are quite happy with. A friend of mine recently sprayed his everyday wristwatch with it in grey. He loves the stuff.
 
Sure-Fire said:
I understand that the worn area is just cosmetic, but to me it's like buying a Mercedes and having the paint chip off on the ride home from the dealer. I wouldn't expect this from a knife manufacturer like Benchmade, it came as a shock and now I am regretting it.

Go look up the price of a Large Sebenza. Mine got all scratched up the first time I carried in in my pocket with my keys. That's the nature of Titanium.

So would I be surprised if a Benchmade knife like yours, costing hundreds less than a Sebenza, also scratches if it has some kind of painted metal handle? Of course I wouldn't be.

Would you take a Mercades off roading and get upset when you ding it up and complain how a 4x4 truck that costs half as much performed much better and didn't get as much damage, or didn't show the damage as much?

People who worry about things like scratches on their knife handles, if they have a knife that is prone to scratching (because they liked the type of finish or material) will be careful not to scratch it. Many won't carry their keys in the same pocket with their knife.

I normally carry a BM710 which has G-10 handles, so I don't worry about scratching, because they don't scratch, or show any scratching, and I've been EDC'ing it for almost 6 years.

A lot of the Spyderco's have FRN handles which don't really show scratching much either. A lot of high end knives use Titanium, or exotic woods for handles and could scratch. However, they are generally built better and stronger, operater more smoothly, offer better materials all around, etc.

For what you do, you might try something like a Spyderco Paramilitary or Manix. Or a BM AXIS lock with G-10.
 
nolan raborn said:
Sure-Fire, if you just have to be mad at yourself it should be because you bought a half serrated blade to strip wire with. You need a smooth edge for that like your original CRKT or the Native. I would not worry about the black wearing off. I have a BM Presidio and the black is wearing off the clip on it too. I really prefer plain clips for that reason.
I bought the BM with half serration because I planned on not using it for rough tasks such as stripping wire. I figured I would treat the expensive knife a little better, however it still isn't up to the task of simply sitting in my pocket without getting damaged.
Why don't you have a professional knife man sharpen the CRKT? It still looks good to me and I am sure you could get a new edge put on it.
I could always do that, if I find one. I figured I would take a step up and buy a better knife, tho.
 
LHD said:
Though not an ideal fix, you may want to try alumnahyding the handle. Its leaves a very durable, nonslip finish that many people are quite happy with. A friend of mine recently sprayed his everyday wristwatch with it in grey. He loves the stuff.
I think my best option is to keep the Benchmade for formal dress and use the CRKT and Spyderco for work and play.

I'm still agrevated that the BM is worn, maybe I should use the old black magic marker trick? :D
 
Get a Sharpmaker or Lansky to sharpen your knives. Sooner or later you will need to learn how to sharpen your blades - unless you plan to throw away an expensive folder every few months...
 
Quiet Storm said:
Get a Sharpmaker or Lansky to sharpen your knives. Sooner or later you will need to learn how to sharpen your blades - unless you can afford to throw away an expensive folder every few months...
My little Klein linesman knife sharpener has done a great job of sharpening my CRKT for over 3 years of hard use. Can't beat that.
 
without getting damaged.

The flaw is in both your expectation and definition. First despite what companies say coatings wear off. Some quicker some slower. Secondly what you're seeing many of would call normal wear. Damage would be, lock failing blade edge chipping, etc.
 
DaveH said:
The flaw is in both your expectation and definition.
I have to disagree on both points
First despite what companies say coatings wear off.
Understood, however I always figured a Benchmade's coating would last a hell of a lot longer than a CRKT's.
Some quicker some slower.
Benchmade's quickly. CRKT's not even after 3 years of hard use.
Secondly what you're seeing many of would call normal wear. Damage would be, lock failing blade edge chipping, etc.
I disagree, normal wear is certainly NOT 2 days of letting it hang inside of your pocket with keys pulled passed it 6-8 times.
Not only is the condition of my knife not "normal wear", it is damaged. The edge chipping (as you mentioned) is no more "damage" than the handle material (as what happened to my knife). Maybe you have a special dictionary of common words and how they are different when referring to knives??

I don't know why you want to argue semantics, tho...
 
Is this the sharpener?
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These things are pure crap. and bad for your knives.

Get a spyderco sharpmaker or something if you want to sharpen.
(any real sharpener will do)
 
Sure-Fire said:
I have to disagree on both points
Understood, however I always figured a Benchmade's coating would last a hell of a lot longer than a CRKT's. Benchmade's quickly. CRKT's not even after 3 years of hard use.

I'm not completely familiar with the coatings on your CRKT knife. Are you talking about wear on the handle or the blade? I'm not even sure if your CRKT knife is coated at all. The blade is probably a bead blasted finsih, and the handle is probably the same. If that's the case there is no coating to wear off, as compared to the BM that is actually coated.
 
BTW- it is unrealistic to buy a coated blade/handle and expect it to never get scratched. Most get scratched the first day. If you want something scratch resistant, do a little research first and find what will work (like Boron coating)
Or better yet, get an uncoated blade and a G10 handle.
 
WadeF said:
I'm not completely familiar with the coatings on your CRKT knife. Are you talking about wear on the handle or the blade? I'm not even sure if your CRKT knife is coated at all. The blade is probably a bead blasted finsih, and the handle is probably the same. If that's the case there is no coating to wear off, as compared to the BM that is actually coated.
All of the discussion of wear has been about the handle. The handle of my CRKT is hard anodized.
 
WadeF said:
I'm not completely familiar with the coatings on your CRKT knife. Are you talking about wear on the handle or the blade? I'm not even sure if your CRKT knife is coated at all. The blade is probably a bead blasted finsih, and the handle is probably the same. If that's the case there is no coating to wear off, as compared to the BM that is actually coated.

Description of the CRKT:

Sure-grip contoured handles of 6061 T6 hard anodized charcoal gray aluminum with a perimeter radius for a comfortable grip with or without work gloves. Stainless steel locking liners with friction grooves, for positive locking with limited access, for superior safety. AUS 8 stainless steel blades, chosen for edge retention and durability, in non-reflective fine bead blast finish.

I don't see anything there mentioning any coating on your knife.

That's like driving a car without paint and then buying a car with a nice paint job and complaining when the paint gets chipped off because you drug your car keys up and down it, and how the paint never chipped off your unpainted car when you did the same thing. :p
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Is this the sharpener?
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These things are pure crap. and bad for your knives.

Get a spyderco sharpmaker or something if you want to sharpen.
(any real sharpener will do)
Yup! That's old reliable!

Now I have to ask, what are you basing your opinion off of? You know, your opinion of this product being "pure crap" and "bad for your knives"?

As I mentioned, it kept my CRKT SHARP for many years. It did this with ease and without needing any special skill.

Now I am sure there are better sharpeners, but all of them require a skill that I just don't possess. I have tried to sharpen knives, I always end up with duller knives than I started with. If the Klein kept my CRKT to the sharpness level that I needed it (SCARY sharp) what more would I want?

Rat Finkenstein said:
BTW- it is unrealistic to buy a coated blade/handle and expect it to never get scratched. Most get scratched the first day. If you want something scratch resistant, do a little research first and find what will work (like Boron coating)
Or better yet, get an uncoated blade and a G10 handle.
I don't believe it to be unrealistic, I also don't believe that "most knives get scratched the first day".

My CRKT never lost the coating on it's handle (and HA is considered a coating).
 
WadeF said:
Description of the CRKT:

Sure-grip contoured handles of 6061 T6 hard anodized charcoal gray aluminum with a perimeter radius for a comfortable grip with or without work gloves. Stainless steel locking liners with friction grooves, for positive locking with limited access, for superior safety. AUS 8 stainless steel blades, chosen for edge retention and durability, in non-reflective fine bead blast finish.

I don't see anything there mentioning any coating on your knife.

That's like driving a car without paint and then buying a car with a nice paint job and complaining when the paint gets chipped off because you drug your car keys up and down it, and how the paint never chipped off your unpainted car when you did the same thing. :p
For the third time, the handle is anodized which is a coating (apparently a better coating than my benchmade).

You car analogies really suck, BTW.
 
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