Quartermaster has made an enemy (page 28 onward)

[Mo2]

Lots of evidence, you mean the half dozen shipping manifests that somehow keep a national company afloat for 4 years? Yeah, seems like that is definitely not a stretch or blatant lie. Suspicious does not mean guilty. It's pretty clear they aren't made at their supposed headquarters in Dripping Springs, but to automatically assume China is pretty absurd. They outright say they have satellite facilities. Just because you don't know the location of said facilities does not mean they are definitely in China.

You know what they say about assuming.

Also fun little tidbit, when you are calling me a liar and citing shaky evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. There are laws against calling something US made when it is made in China. Burden of proof is still on the people intiating the dispute.

LOL at this guy. in the video they showed the place where they were supposedly made and didn't show ANY parts for them, let alone them being built. i cant believe you still will blindly follow such a illegal company known for Conning people such as yourself. so out of Spite you will continue? lol

what happens when you find that bit of evidence you finally believe and we all said we told you so?

 

[shinyedges]

Lots of evidence, you mean the half dozen shipping manifests that somehow keep a national company afloat for 4 years? Yeah, seems like that is definitely not a stretch or blatant lie. Suspicious does not mean guilty. It's pretty clear they aren't made at their supposed headquarters in Dripping Springs, but to automatically assume China is pretty absurd. They outright say they have satellite facilities. Just because you don't know the location of said facilities does not mean they are definitely in China.

You know what they say about assuming.

Also fun little tidbit, when you are calling me a liar and citing shaky evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. There are laws against calling something US made when it is made in China. Burden of proof is still on the people intiating the dispute.

Will address your nonsense when I get home. Thanks for the laugh till then.

 

[Yo Mama]

Lots of evidence, you mean the half dozen shipping manifests that somehow keep a national company afloat for 4 years? Yeah, seems like that is definitely not a stretch or blatant lie. Suspicious does not mean guilty. It's pretty clear they aren't made at their supposed headquarters in Dripping Springs, but to automatically assume China is pretty absurd. They outright say they have satellite facilities. Just because you don't know the location of said facilities does not mean they are definitely in China.

You know what they say about assuming.

Also fun little tidbit, when you are calling me a liar and citing shaky evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. There are laws against calling something US made when it is made in China. Burden of proof is still on the people intiating the dispute.

What's the phone number for qtrmstr? They dont have one. Real legit for such a large company to not have a fricking phone number.

Now you're making me mad. Because to you it's a game and you're acting like a child. For people who work for their money it's serious.

I'll now go out of my way to tell everyone i come across about how horrible this "company" is. You have accomplished alot in this thread including bringing even more evidence against qm with their "American" bearings. I'm contacting every dealer to let them know if they carry qm i won't give them a dime. I recommend others do the same.

Enough with the lack of evidence bit, got old like you throwing out anything to stick to other companies. You should be ashamed. You represent this knife very different from reality. This means your reputation is attached as well. Your reputation may not mean much to you, but as a man i think you are callous and no opinion you put forward from here is valid to anyone.

 

[shinyedges]

Lots of evidence, you mean the half dozen shipping manifests that somehow keep a national company afloat for 4 years? Yeah, seems like that is definitely not a stretch or blatant lie. Suspicious does not mean guilty. It's pretty clear they aren't made at their supposed headquarters in Dripping Springs, but to automatically assume China is pretty absurd. They outright say they have satellite facilities. Just because you don't know the location of said facilities does not mean they are definitely in China.

You know what they say about assuming.

Also fun little tidbit, when you are calling me a liar and citing shaky evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. There are laws against calling something US made when it is made in China. Burden of proof is still on the people intiating the dispute.

It's abundantly clear that you need a video confession, notorized and done on live TV in front of everyone on earth.

You refute the fact they won't prove they even have a store front, and have been caught lying about locations they are supposedly at.

Nothing makes you suspicious?

I don't believe anyone here will change your mind. But just so you know, these threads make you look like an intentionally obtuse, willfully blind, myopic individual.

So keep on going, be the laughing stock. :thumbup:

 

[Thomas Linton]

And you know their voluminous sales records how?

In fact, if you claim your product is made in the USA and are challenged by the G, the burden is on you.

He was lying before. Why do you assume he has suddenly found trustworthiness? You know what they say about assuming?

 

[jill jackson]

Lots of evidence, you mean the half dozen shipping manifests that somehow keep a national company afloat for 4 years? Yeah, seems like that is definitely not a stretch or blatant lie. Suspicious does not mean guilty. It's pretty clear they aren't made at their supposed headquarters in Dripping Springs, but to automatically assume China is pretty absurd. They outright say they have satellite facilities. Just because you don't know the location of said facilities does not mean they are definitely in China.

You know what they say about assuming.

Also fun little tidbit, when you are calling me a liar and citing shaky evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. There are laws against calling something US made when it is made in China. Burden of proof is still on the people intiating the dispute.

No QM plainly states that the "State-of-the-art-facility" is in Dripping Springs Texas. No pictures of it on their site, all other manufacturers have pictures of their factories/headquarters. And just where else besides China would manufacture their knives? There's no way a knife like they sell is made anywhere else at the price they sell them at. And just why when QM is directly asked about it, do they not "have time" to prove they manufacturer their own knives? If there's nothing to hide, and their reputation is being attacked, just what honest company wouldn't want to put a stop to it?

 

[Fanglekai]

Lots of evidence, you mean the half dozen shipping manifests that somehow keep a national company afloat for 4 years? Yeah, seems like that is definitely not a stretch or blatant lie. Suspicious does not mean guilty. It's pretty clear they aren't made at their supposed headquarters in Dripping Springs, but to automatically assume China is pretty absurd. They outright say they have satellite facilities. Just because you don't know the location of said facilities does not mean they are definitely in China.

You know what they say about assuming.

Also fun little tidbit, when you are calling me a liar and citing shaky evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. There are laws against calling something US made when it is made in China. Burden of proof is still on the people intiating the dispute.

They need satellite facilities when they have an 8500 sq ft factory? LOL! This whole thread is fail. They won't disprove the "rumors" because they can't. If their factory existed it would have a phone number. It would have a real address, not a PO Box. We could easily find it on Google Maps. There would be pictures of the place.

They use Chinese made bearings. That alone shows they're lying about everything 100% made in the USA. If they're lying about that, they're lying about other things. The fact that you keep defending them is incredibly funny, but it's also exactly how a shill behaves.

 

[jill jackson]

The QM knives are without a doubt made in China. That's why the only contact on their website is this address and a email form. The burden of proof is not on us saying they're lying, because we have shown there is no factory in the USA. The burden of proof is on you dkb45 to show us this USA based state of the art facility. It's on QM to show us, when they can't and you can't burden of proof is a non-issue on our part it passes directly to the ones making the claim they have a factory here.

QUARTERMASTER HEADQUARTERS
Post Office Box 1121
Dripping Springs, TX 78620

 

[Planterz]

Lots of evidence, you mean the half dozen shipping manifests that somehow keep a national company afloat for 4 years? Yeah, seems like that is definitely not a stretch or blatant lie. Suspicious does not mean guilty. It's pretty clear they aren't made at their supposed headquarters in Dripping Springs, but to automatically assume China is pretty absurd. They outright say they have satellite facilities. Just because you don't know the location of said facilities does not mean they are definitely in China.

You know what they say about assuming.

Also fun little tidbit, when you are calling me a liar and citing shaky evidence, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. There are laws against calling something US made when it is made in China. Burden of proof is still on the people intiating the dispute.

Are you really that naive? Do you not know the history of this joker?

Jared West's name is mud at bladeforums. Never mind the spam campaign he and his idiot followers (I forget what they were called...something stupid) bombarding us with mallninja gibberish, he lied about the origin of Mantis knives and the steel used in the blades (claimed it was S60V - it wasn't). Hell, he screwed over his own father. What in the blithering crud makes you think anything this snake oil salesman is credible or believable?

You like your ludicrous uncomfortable impractical knives? Fine. Enjoy them in good health. I don't give an airborne rodent's rectum. But don't act like these knives are what they pretend to be, because there's absolutely no credible reason, evidence, or history of the man, Jared West, to suggest otherwise.

 

[dkb45]

I would suggest having a read on what exactly circumstantial evidence is. None of the evidence here stands on its own, and if you disconnect the lynch pin of Jared West the entire argument falls apart. Jared West, of course, has no proven position with Quartermaster aside from being a designer. He claimed he was the head a few times, but I can claim I am the 5th in line to the British throne, and that doesn't make it fact. He is an established liar, and of course once a liar always a liar, so clearly he is lying.

So for evidence we have the shipment manifests, which are barely even circumstantial at best. The same roof is shared by a known Chinese produced brand, and what is claimed on the manifests is less than the full production line of Quartermaster (over 2 dozen total models with redesigns included). There's also the issue of less than half a dozen shipments somehow keeping a brand supplied to almost all major knife retailers for 3 years? The more you look at it, the less likely it becomes.

Next we have the bearings. Actual circumstantial evidence, but easily explained by simply using the same blueprint files. Easier to use an existing design for bearings than making your own. I will admit they *could* be sourced from China, however.

Now we come to the Dripping Springs facility. This is bad for Quartermaster, but hardly damning. No photos and whatnot doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Have you seen my bathroom? No, but it still exists. They say they have satellite facilities, and the total square footage could be satellites included. Fish stories are suspicious, but not damning. When they aren't transparent, we don't know how they produce, it could be in the back of 2,000 always moving buses, or on a well hidden Quartermaster zeppelin. Suspicious, not damning.

The only real thing is the whole Warren Thomas controversy, but the evidence of that seems to be mostly scrubbed from the internet. I looked it up for a refresher and found nothing, but I don't claim to be a Google guru. I know Warren Thomas claimed that he did not license his designs, and Quartermaster stole them, but if I am not mistaken he basically chalked it up as a loss and moved on (I could be remembering it all wrong), which if that is the case that raises even more red flags IN FAVOR of Quartermaster, because the legal case seems pretty cut and dry (again, my memory could be way off on this). Source refresher needed.

So there we have it, 3 iffy things being used as direct evidence. Hardly seems like the final nails in the coffin if you extrapolate the circumstantial evidence down to the definite facts. Queue the hater brigade.

 

[GermanyChris]

This is the court of public opinion not law

 

[stonproject]

You said this 2 years ago. Whyre you trying to defend them again?

If they hadn't been so insanely adamant on the whole "15000% US made!" part then this would be little issue. I don't mind a knife being made from Chinese parts, so long as the final f&f is here and it being called US made. If you have the machinery to tinker and adjust the f&f and you do so, then you can get the detail that a normal factory produced product doesn't get.

I feel like Quartermaster might be lying about everything being 100% US made from all US materials. Especially since they are getting shipments of knives from China. The quality of the knives is good, though. If they would be clearer on where the knives are made and clarify the shipments they get I would have no issue. A good product is a good product.

 

[BladeScout]

Don't know or care. Outlandish claims and overwhelming confidence are as American as it gets. I just dimpling wanted to know what that knife was because if it was cheap enough I would buy it. I like odd designs.

See the museum was a simple red herring. The real concern brought up was Quartermaster possibly operating without licenses and permits. When big brother doesn't get his dues he gets rather mad.

Quartermaster as being the epitome of the American spirit, hmmmm.

So lies, fraud and deceit are as American as it gets.

I prefer to believe, that is not so.....but Interesting POV.

Always nice to know the mind set of those with whom one deals (or dont deal with) on the forums.

 

[shinyedges]

Quartermaster as being the epitome of the American spirit, hmmmm.

So lies, fraud and deceit are as American as it gets.

I prefer to believe, that is not so.....but Interesting POV.

Always nice to know the mind set of those with whom one deals (or dont deal with) on the forums.

I prefer to believe freedom and courage are American as it gets. But hey, everyone has an opinion. Every time he posts one of these troll threads, he reveals more of his warped mindset. Shame really.

 

[Herlock]

Hi. It’s always a very entertaining reading about QM . I don’t own any of QM knives, not so much for all these issues but rather because I don’t like their design/ergos. Anyway, I am very puzzled . I am not familiar with US laws but, it seems very strange to me that no fiscal/environmental/etc. authorities have investigated this and applied consequences if the case. To run a factory with production processes, employees, etc. around here one needs a fair big amount of licences and paper-works and is subject to some regular audits. How is it possible for legal entities (societies, companies, corporations, etc.) to declare something about their business and avoid being subject to scrutiny for years? I mean even a simple production like cutlery has environmental obligations (e.g. noise pollution, emissions to air, waste water treatment, etc.), H&S obligations (workers safety, machinery safety, etc.) and tax obligations (buildings, trade, employees, etc.). So, while I think an individual in a garage can maybe get along some years making and selling knives avoiding scrutiny from authorities, for a company… well, that’s I think it’s rather difficult, especially if they go public with web-sites, social media, advertisement, etc. All these company data are generally public, there are obligations to make them public, at least here. Therefore I wonder: how is all this possible they get along with all these infractions for such a long time?

 

[shinyedges]

Hi. It’s always a very entertaining reading about QM . I don’t own any of QM knives, not so much for all these issues but rather because I don’t like their design/ergos. Anyway, I am very puzzled . I am not familiar with US laws but, it seems very strange to me that no fiscal/environmental/etc. authorities have investigated this and applied consequences if the case. To run a factory with production processes, employees, etc. around here one needs a fair big amount of licences and paper-works and is subject to some regular audits. How is it possible for legal entities (societies, companies, corporations, etc.) to declare something about their business and avoid being subject to scrutiny for years? I mean even a simple production like cutlery has environmental obligations (e.g. noise pollution, emissions to air, waste water treatment, etc.), H&S obligations (workers safety, machinery safety, etc.) and tax obligations (buildings, trade, employees, etc.). So, while I think an individual in a garage can maybe get along some years making and selling knives avoiding scrutiny from authorities, for a company… well, that’s I think it’s rather difficult, especially if they go public with web-sites, social media, advertisement, etc. All these company data are generally public, there are obligations to make them public, at least here. Therefore I wonder: how is all this possible they get along with all these infractions for such a long time?

Fraudulent businesses get nailed all the time, some make it under the radar longer than others though. The sheer size and population here make keeping tabs on every single business more difficult.

 

[jill jackson]

It's not so much they're getting away with no business permits and other requirements to operate, if they're not actually operating a factory. It's that they import from overseas and mark the knives made in USA. Maybe the knives come in peices and they assemble them, who knows QM isn't going to be forthcoming about it.

 

[skyhorse]

This IS the physical address where Quartermaster Knives ARE MANUFACTURED !!!
WAYEAH KNIVES & TOOLS CO., LTD.
4TH YONGXING ROAD,YANGDONG,YANGJIANG,GUANGDONG, CHINA

 

[shinyedges]

I would suggest having a read on what exactly circumstantial evidence is. None of the evidence here stands on its own, and if you disconnect the lynch pin of Jared West the entire argument falls apart. Jared West, of course, has no proven position with Quartermaster aside from being a designer. He claimed he was the head a few times, but I can claim I am the 5th in line to the British throne, and that doesn't make it fact. He is an established liar, and of course once a liar always a liar, so clearly he is lying.

So for evidence we have the shipment manifests, which are barely even circumstantial at best. The same roof is shared by a known Chinese produced brand, and what is claimed on the manifests is less than the full production line of Quartermaster (over 2 dozen total models with redesigns included). There's also the issue of less than half a dozen shipments somehow keeping a brand supplied to almost all major knife retailers for 3 years? The more you look at it, the less likely it becomes.

Next we have the bearings. Actual circumstantial evidence, but easily explained by simply using the same blueprint files. Easier to use an existing design for bearings than making your own. I will admit they *could* be sourced from China, however.

Now we come to the Dripping Springs facility. This is bad for Quartermaster, but hardly damning. No photos and whatnot doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Have you seen my bathroom? No, but it still exists. They say they have satellite facilities, and the total square footage could be satellites included. Fish stories are suspicious, but not damning. When they aren't transparent, we don't know how they produce, it could be in the back of 2,000 always moving buses, or on a well hidden Quartermaster zeppelin. Suspicious, not damning.

The only real thing is the whole Warren Thomas controversy, but the evidence of that seems to be mostly scrubbed from the internet. I looked it up for a refresher and found nothing, but I don't claim to be a Google guru. I know Warren Thomas claimed that he did not license his designs, and Quartermaster stole them, but if I am not mistaken he basically chalked it up as a loss and moved on (I could be remembering it all wrong), which if that is the case that raises even more red flags IN FAVOR of Quartermaster, because the legal case seems pretty cut and dry (again, my memory could be way off on this). Source refresher needed.

So there we have it, 3 iffy things being used as direct evidence. Hardly seems like the final nails in the coffin if you extrapolate the circumstantial evidence down to the definite facts. Queue the hater brigade.

And you know what else, in an ironic twist, when ever you start these pro quartermaster tirades, you actually educate MORE people on their shady practices. Thanks for that.

 

[Yo Mama]

I would suggest having a read on what exactly circumstantial evidence is. None of the evidence here stands on its own, and if you disconnect the lynch pin of Jared West the entire argument falls apart. Jared West, of course, has no proven position with Quartermaster aside from being a designer. He claimed he was the head a few times, but I can claim I am the 5th in line to the British throne, and that doesn't make it fact. He is an established liar, and of course once a liar always a liar, so clearly he is lying.

So for evidence we have the shipment manifests, which are barely even circumstantial at best. The same roof is shared by a known Chinese produced brand, and what is claimed on the manifests is less than the full production line of Quartermaster (over 2 dozen total models with redesigns included). There's also the issue of less than half a dozen shipments somehow keeping a brand supplied to almost all major knife retailers for 3 years? The more you look at it, the less likely it becomes.

Next we have the bearings. Actual circumstantial evidence, but easily explained by simply using the same blueprint files. Easier to use an existing design for bearings than making your own. I will admit they *could* be sourced from China, however.

Now we come to the Dripping Springs facility. This is bad for Quartermaster, but hardly damning. No photos and whatnot doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Have you seen my bathroom? No, but it still exists. They say they have satellite facilities, and the total square footage could be satellites included. Fish stories are suspicious, but not damning. When they aren't transparent, we don't know how they produce, it could be in the back of 2,000 always moving buses, or on a well hidden Quartermaster zeppelin. Suspicious, not damning.

The only real thing is the whole Warren Thomas controversy, but the evidence of that seems to be mostly scrubbed from the internet. I looked it up for a refresher and found nothing, but I don't claim to be a Google guru. I know Warren Thomas claimed that he did not license his designs, and Quartermaster stole them, but if I am not mistaken he basically chalked it up as a loss and moved on (I could be remembering it all wrong), which if that is the case that raises even more red flags IN FAVOR of Quartermaster, because the legal case seems pretty cut and dry (again, my memory could be way off on this). Source refresher needed.

So there we have it, 3 iffy things being used as direct evidence. Hardly seems like the final nails in the coffin if you extrapolate the circumstantial evidence down to the definite facts. Queue the hater brigade.

Pathetic drivel.

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