Quartermaster QRTMSTR Knife Company Allegations (if you have proof I would like to see it)

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brownshoe said:
I know you make knives. Part of what I do is I help people choose an appropriate analysis technique and to assess analytical results to assure the results meet the needs of the person using those results to make decisions.

The XRF compares its measurements to the partial set of elemental specs for 440C that it can quantitate. If the C was 0.5% it wouldn’t be 440C but that XRF won’t know it and will still tell you it is 440C. Since your analysis didn’t cover C did you really have sufficient data to decide it was 440C? Maybe, it depends upon how sure you need to be. C should be 0.9-1.2 in 440C per ASTM A276.

The XRF states V is 0.18, but there is no spec for V in 440c. I think some cutlers like V in their steel and would be happy to have it.

The Cr at 16.1 is just within the spec of 16-18. Do some cutlers like Cr to be on the high end of that range? For Cr with the 2std of the results being 0.3, there is an ~5% chance Cr could be as low as 15.7. To be sure 95% sure it meets spec, one would prefer the Cr to be 16.3.
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Good points. The XRF was never meant to identify materials exactly. XRF's do not detect low atomic number elements, of which Carbon and Nitrogen are a few. The purpose of the XRF in many metals supply industries is to verify that a certain steel is used. And when it comes to detecting proper elements, like Manganese, vanadium, Cobalt, it does a pretty good job. I have used it to verify countless metals and it does work. The most important thing is to make sure you have a very clean sample to test. The cutoff tends to be around an atomic number of 11. Anything below that will not be detected. And there is a larger error in the elements it does detect.

Here is an example of a test I did 10 years ago. I expected both knives to have the same analysis, but as you can clearly see, one has Cobalt and Nickel and the other does not. That is a clear and obvious difference. Since that time I have retested many times and have gotten consistent results with this.

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The use of XRF wasn’t to provide an exact identification of the alloy in the context of this thread - it was to demonstrate that the alloy used wasn’t the alloy specified by Quartrmster. Elements that XRF can identify and that are in the claimed alloy used are missing from the sample. That’s all that’s important in the context of this thread. Had it been necessary to precisely identify the alloy in question, it would be another story, but it’s not.
 
I’m just trying to keep MY posts in this thread relevant, Cobalt. Not a retort against your post - just stating why I posted the way I did previously. :thumbsup:
 
wheelgunrambo said:
I recently liked a knife made by Quartermaster (or made by the Chinese) discussed it and took a lot of flack. So I sent QTRMSTR a note directly asking about the allegations.
I had to email as they have not phone number. Here is my message to them.

"I purchased a Mr. Roper Finale. I have seen online all over the place that it is not made in USA as stated but that it is made or partially made in china. Also that the blade may not be s35vn but a soft 440c. Can you please quail my concerns. If there is no reply I will consider this an affirmative that the allegations are true. Thanks"

I did not address stolen designs as I felt I most likely would not get anywhere. They sent a response in about 12 hours. Here it is:

"Happy Independence Day!

As it states multiple times on our website: all of our products are Made in the USA. If you've seen other information, it's forum nonsense. We're an established company and we've been making products for NRA, Sig Sauer, etc for 5 years.

You can view multiple videos and photographs of our facilities on our Instagram feed if you wish. @qtrmstr_backstage. This will give you first hand looks at our work in progress.

Further, we offer an unconditional lifetime warranty on all of our products-- they're inspected and repaired right here in Hill Country, so if you should have any issues; we back them up completely.

Thanks for taking the time to write & for your support of our brand. Please enjoy your new knife."

Now my question is does anyone have proof that this statement from them is false? If they did at one time lie about production are they still lying? Also, has anyone been to the factory and seen the knives being produced?
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I'm not sure why it is immediately suspected that some knife must be made in China? I mean seriously? Also 440C properly hardened and NOT in any annealed state can b e made very very hard, although this high Rockwell would be questionable amongst true blade aficionados. Many of us here will have blades made perfectly well from 440C. it is a myth that this alloy isn't any good, perpetrated by those who also think ATS-34 was cr ap too etc etc. Why or who was slagging your review of this knife and upon what did they base their "accusations"? Don't forge the internet is full of those who feel it is their duty to slag others over something which in reality has nothing to do with them although they feel the need to take others comments, not even directed to them, as some sort of personal offence to thjeir friends, the Shalin temple and others LOL. Personally (and as Youtube reviewer) I wouldn't waste my time with them.
 
FrankCC said:
I'm not sure why it is immediately suspected that some knife must be made in China? I mean seriously? Also 440C properly hardened and NOT in any annealed state can b e made very very hard, although this high Rockwell would be questionable amongst true blade aficionados. Many of us here will have blades made perfectly well from 440C. it is a myth that this alloy isn't any good, perpetrated by those who also think ATS-34 was cr ap too etc etc. Why or who was slagging your review of this knife and upon what did they base their "accusations"? Don't forge the internet is full of those who feel it is their duty to slag others over something which in reality has nothing to do with them although they feel the need to take others comments, not even directed to them, as some sort of personal offence to thjeir friends, the Shalin temple and others LOL. Personally (and as Youtube reviewer) I wouldn't waste my time with them.
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You've got to be kidding me. So the pics that qtrmstr posted that were identical to ones posted of factories in China? Have you even bothered to actually look at the mountain of evidence?

What about their facility that was a shed in someone's yard? LOL what a joke

"As a youtube reviewer" 🤣🤣
 
shinyedges said:
You've got to be kidding me. So the pics that qtrmstr posted that were identical to ones posted of factories in China? Have you even bothered to actually look at the mountain of evidence?

What about their facility that was a shed in someone's yard? LOL what a joke

"As a youtube reviewer" 🤣🤣
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I'm not concerned whether quarter master is Made in China etc. You haven't read what I wrote. I'm Not questioning where their knives are made, (you are). In fact I've never even heard of them before you wrote this article. What I'm saying is just because something is MIC doesn't automatically mean it's made of Chinesium and 440C isn't a crap steel. That's exactly what i said. You are replying to something I didn't write. I was also saying it's a waste of time pursuing everyone who slags a review, whether is genuine or not. I'm not sure why you are so angry at me. And on top of all of that, it's just a damn knife. No need to get the angst over a knife. There are more important things in life.
 
FrankCC said:
I'm not concerned whether quarter master is Made in China etc. You haven't read what I wrote. I'm Not questioning where their knives are made, (you are). In fact I've never even heard of them before you wrote this article. What I'm saying is just because something is MIC doesn't automatically mean it's made of Chinesium and 440C isn't a crap steel. That's exactly what i said. You are replying to something I didn't write. I was also saying it's a waste of time pursuing everyone who slags a review, whether is genuine or not. I'm not sure why you are so angry at me. And on top of all of that, it's just a damn knife. No need to get the angst over a knife. There are more important things in life.
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Firstly, I'm not angry at all.

Now, it isn't the made in China part that irks everyone about qtrmstr, it is the lie that they are made in the US that people have a problem with. Steel type is irrelevant to the conversation of which you walked into when you came to a thread about qtrmstr. Although, I'd wager if a company lies about where they are making knives, it stands to reason they'd lie about steel type, no?


If people are "slagging" a review because the company is trash, the owner a liar, and the knife misrepresented as US made, I find those legitimate complaints. Bringing attention to a shady company isn't "slag" as you call it.

Anyway, perhaps being an educated reviewer on the knives a "youtuber" reviews would be beneficial? Maybe a little discernment and possibly a little educating viewers is beneficial? Idk. Or just wander around willynilly and get confused when "slag" happens. 🤷🏾‍♂️
 
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wheelgunrambo said:
I recently liked a knife made by Quartermaster (or made by the Chinese) discussed it and took a lot of flack. So I sent QTRMSTR a note directly asking about the allegations.
I had to email as they have not phone number. Here is my message to them.

"I purchased a Mr. Roper Finale. I have seen online all over the place that it is not made in USA as stated but that it is made or partially made in china. Also that the blade may not be s35vn but a soft 440c. Can you please quail my concerns. If there is no reply I will consider this an affirmative that the allegations are true. Thanks"

I did not address stolen designs as I felt I most likely would not get anywhere. They sent a response in about 12 hours. Here it is:

"Happy Independence Day!

As it states multiple times on our website: all of our products are Made in the USA. If you've seen other information, it's forum nonsense. We're an established company and we've been making products for NRA, Sig Sauer, etc for 5 years.

You can view multiple videos and photographs of our facilities on our Instagram feed if you wish. @qtrmstr_backstage. This will give you first hand looks at our work in progress.

Further, we offer an unconditional lifetime warranty on all of our products-- they're inspected and repaired right here in Hill Country, so if you should have any issues; we back them up completely.

Thanks for taking the time to write & for your support of our brand. Please enjoy your new knife."

Now my question is does anyone have proof that this statement from them is false? If they did at one time lie about production are they still lying? Also, has anyone been to the factory and seen the knives being produced?
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I don't own or care about this brand, but having done a quick search on instagram, I see nothing there that proves that they manufacture anything in the USA. They may assemble and package in the USA and maybe some finishing, but no pics or videos prove anything.

So, the proof is not for anyone here to prove it false, but for quartermaster to show in good faith their actual factory. Factories are not easy to hide. Manufacturing process use energy and create pollutants. There will be much regulation for anything being manufactured in any state.

So I ask you, since you threw this out there, where is their manufacturing facility. Do you have a physical address for it? If you can't show that, then it is likely not in the USA.


I have been to Spydercos USA factory in Golden, CO. I know they have knives made in Japan, and Taiwan. Maybe even China. But they don't hide that. They tell you where it is made.
 
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