Queen knives what have you got,whats your thoughts.

[Old Hunter]

One I forgot I owned when I posted in this thread last summer - Queen Trout Knife.

 

[Rookie82]

Are Schatt & Morgan not so popular because they're not so easy to come by/no longer available.......? They appear to me to be very nicely made and finished.

The S&M brand was known as the higher end knives vs. the general Queen branded knives. They didn't make as many S&M as Queen, so there are just less of them out there. But they still bring a good price and there is a good following of collectors for Schatt knives, especially in PA, Ohio, Kentucky, Michigan area. They just aren't active online, but if you go to knife shows and talk with dealers, the S&M knives move quickly.

 

[echoscout]

 

[brownshoe]

Some Schatt knives are in ATS34, often marked as such in the blade etch. However the etch can easily wear off.

 

[Johnnyblades7]

Nice little collection,thanks for sharing.


Stupid question is mine a Stockman?

Sorry dude, I meant to ask you if it’s Demko AD20 lol

 

[failbot]

I had a small congress knife, but I gave it to a friend. Yesterday I bought a small stockman #16. There's no stamp on the tang, so it's 1961-1971? Overall, these are very well-made knives

The only thing I'm confused about is that their documents say it's made from their secret "Queen Steel" steel, and the internet says it's probably something like 440A, I don't trust AI, it still makes too many mistakes. I see rust marks here, and my previous congress also had rust marks, so it looks more like carbon steel (1075~1095, O1 or something other?)

 

[Will Power]

Well, there's a simple test you can do for carbon- cut citrus with it and wait for blackening. It can be removed with metal polish afterwards if you want. The blades look like they've been roughed up with an abrasive, perhaps somebody wanted to put a glaze finish on the polished blades but grew tired of the job?

Fine knife though and a tidy new member of your collection. I have the Jack versions No.2 both in ACSB and D2 and a Winterbottom style like this, which is from the 1970s and stainless. The latter has always puzzled me as in that era they used jigged delrin, but mine is certainly bone. Lot of people told me "not possible" but it's bone alright and I found out that in 1976 or so, Schatt&Morgan were offering Winterbottom Bone so maybe some leftovers were used up? Knife factories often move in mysterious ways

Thanks, Will

 

[brownshoe]

I believe Queen steel is 440C.

 

[failbot]

Well, there's a simple test you can do for carbon- cut citrus with it and wait for blackening. It can be removed with metal polish afterwards if you want. The blades look like they've been roughed up with an abrasive, perhaps somebody wanted to put a glaze finish on the polished blades but grew tired of the job?

Fine knife though and a tidy new member of your collection. I have the Jack versions No.2 both in ACSB and D2 and a Winterbottom style like this, which is from the 1970s and stainless. The latter has always puzzled me as in that era they used jigged delrin, but mine is certainly bone. Lot of people told me "not possible" but it's bone alright and I found out that in 1976 or so, Schatt&Morgan were offering Winterbottom Bone so maybe some leftovers were used up? Knife factories often move in mysterious ways

Thanks, Will

Thank you, this is definitely carbon steel, I degreased 3 mm of the tip of the blade with 95% medical alcohol, then with a universal industrial degreaser and then cut a potato and it darkened instantly with the corresponding smell of metal like douk-douk or mercator

I was looking at this website, there's a table with years of use. Can we trust the data from this site?

https://queencutleryguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Model-16-10-2019.pdf

Perhaps the "Queen Steel" brand used different compounds? Like how Puma used "Pumaster" = Böhler NWN80

 

[Acutereference]

Had a couple of Queen custom made club knives, regular Stockman and one with Hoof pick as well. Beautifly made and finished. Gave one to my best friend in return for a gifted Crawford, the one with the hoof pick to a rancher friend. Fine knives, a and worth the price - my recollection, under $100. Note: bought more than 20 years back!

 

[yablanowitz]

I had a small congress knife, but I gave it to a friend. Yesterday I bought a small stockman #16. There's no stamp on the tang, so it's 1961-1971? Overall, these are very well-made knives

The only thing I'm confused about is that their documents say it's made from their secret "Queen Steel" steel, and the internet says it's probably something like 440A, I don't trust AI, it still makes too many mistakes. I see rust marks here, and my previous congress also had rust marks, so it looks more like carbon steel (1075~1095, O1 or something other?)

The references I've read said they were using 440C, and that was what they trademarked as "Queen Steel". I've seen some spots of rust here and there on mine, but nothing general.

Queen also used 1095 carbon steel on some, notably on their Workhorse series, but the carbon steel blades will rust or patina generally rather than just spotting.

It is possible that some of the rust spots seen on stainless blades are the result of carbon steel being transferred by the tooling when it had been used on carbon steel previous to stainless. It is certain that "stain less" steels can rust. Especially over the course of forty or fifty years.

 

[Rookie82]

All the data related to Queen should be taken with a grain of salt. Certain tang stamps were used "mostly" within a certain range. Certain patterns had "mostly" this handle type, or "mostly" this steel type. But talking with former employees and management of Queen during the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, there was a lot of "just go grab some steel off the shelf and we'll punch out springs". The data doesn't all fit nice and neat into a perfect spreadsheet. Case was much more refined and organized, and Queen was just trying to keep the lights on. The old master cutler from the 60's and 70's, Fred Sampson, was saying that it's impossible to date a Queen knife by looking at the stamp alone. He said sometimes they would just reach into a bucket of oil and grab a stamp off the bottom of the bucket, and whatever you grab, that's the tangstamp you use that day. It could have been a 20 year old stamp, or a brand new one.

 

[holo07]