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Question about trading knifes ???
- Thread starter renomaverick
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Been with BF for 2-years...have had nothing but FAIR-HONEST folks buy...and trade. Some even have helped me out...with TECH-NO things....navagating around the BF.
Sometimes- you do take a chance....CHECK out if they are a member or not....ask for phone number and address...NO PO BOX's- and certainly stay away from OVER THE BOARDER trades.....this should be obvious. I have even ask (my trader) folks to e-mail me at a separate address....so I have an alternative way of contacting them....This is a GREAT site....the folks who run it and manage it.....are very helpful and are there for you. THEY take no prisoners.....but, hey- I'm glad for that!
Good luck and enjoy the experience.
Sometimes- you do take a chance....CHECK out if they are a member or not....ask for phone number and address...NO PO BOX's- and certainly stay away from OVER THE BOARDER trades.....this should be obvious. I have even ask (my trader) folks to e-mail me at a separate address....so I have an alternative way of contacting them....This is a GREAT site....the folks who run it and manage it.....are very helpful and are there for you. THEY take no prisoners.....but, hey- I'm glad for that!
Good luck and enjoy the experience.
MSCantrell
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Hi Reno,
Yep, that's normal. You've been a forum member since this month, and you've only posted 22 times.
Many traders would ask you to send your end of the deal first. It really doesn't have anything to do with the value of the knife, but more with the value of the reputation of the trader.
For example, somebody who's bought a paying membership on the site, held it for years, and posted here hundreds or thousands of times.... isn't going to blow it to scam somebody out of a $50 knife. Or even a $200 knife.
On the other side of the coin, if somebody signs up for a free membership, and next week sees that he's got the chance to get himself a free $50 knife for just a couple of emails... you can see how that would be tempting. Obviously YOU'RE not that guy. But you can see how it would be tempting.
So what I'm getting at is, yes, it's normal to ask forum members without an established history to ship their end of trades first. In time, when you've been around a while, when people have posted good feedback about you, no one will ask that anymore. In fact, from time to time YOU'LL feel like asking the other person to ship first.
It's the fairest way to deal with strangers over the internet.
If you're terribly uncomfortable with the idea, the best bet is to call off the trade. There will bo other chances down the road. Another way might be to get on the phone. A little conversation goes a long way toward giving you a sense of the other person.
Or if you're really serious about keeping it fair, you may consider asking another forum member to act as an escrow for you: you BOTH ship your knives to him, and when he has them both, he ships them each to you.
Good luck!
And to answer that last question, no, there are very, very, very few scam artists on the board, and as soon as the moderators find out about it, they get banned. That doesn't mean just play loosey-goosey with your property, but you really can trade with some confidence on Bladeforums.
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Yep, that's normal. You've been a forum member since this month, and you've only posted 22 times.
Many traders would ask you to send your end of the deal first. It really doesn't have anything to do with the value of the knife, but more with the value of the reputation of the trader.
For example, somebody who's bought a paying membership on the site, held it for years, and posted here hundreds or thousands of times.... isn't going to blow it to scam somebody out of a $50 knife. Or even a $200 knife.
On the other side of the coin, if somebody signs up for a free membership, and next week sees that he's got the chance to get himself a free $50 knife for just a couple of emails... you can see how that would be tempting. Obviously YOU'RE not that guy. But you can see how it would be tempting.
So what I'm getting at is, yes, it's normal to ask forum members without an established history to ship their end of trades first. In time, when you've been around a while, when people have posted good feedback about you, no one will ask that anymore. In fact, from time to time YOU'LL feel like asking the other person to ship first.
It's the fairest way to deal with strangers over the internet.
If you're terribly uncomfortable with the idea, the best bet is to call off the trade. There will bo other chances down the road. Another way might be to get on the phone. A little conversation goes a long way toward giving you a sense of the other person.
Or if you're really serious about keeping it fair, you may consider asking another forum member to act as an escrow for you: you BOTH ship your knives to him, and when he has them both, he ships them each to you.
Good luck!
And to answer that last question, no, there are very, very, very few scam artists on the board, and as soon as the moderators find out about it, they get banned. That doesn't mean just play loosey-goosey with your property, but you really can trade with some confidence on Bladeforums.
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spiralarchitect
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Just check The Good, BAd and Ugly and see how scam artists are dealt with. The floks around here don't put up with that BS. THe best of luck to you in your trades.
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well I go by GB&U and being your the Newbie it is fair to ask you to ship 1st. But I disagree with NO PO Boxes...I have everything shipped to a po box due to I have all my bills & knives shipped to a safe place and junk magizines ETC shipped to the house,but I offer a work phone and if anybody has issues I have traded with are more than welcome to call,email or ship to my work .
We all are part of this community, despite what some may think.
I agree with most of what you said, however, shipping across the border shouldnt be a problem. Unless you are shipping illegal knives into the country. Please dont try to kick away all the potential traders. :thumbdn:
how about filling out your profile a little more. it can help people know a little more about you. it also helps when dealing with a person to look at their profile or read their previous posts or threads. i would deal with a person who has their profile filled out quicker than someone who doesnt but sometimes that doesnt even matter.
Well, i'm no trading expert (only have about 5 under my belt), but so far so good. I haven't had a single issue or gripe. On my first transaction I was asked to ship first, which was not a problem and everything turned out great. Once you have a few good feedbacks trading will be much easier.
Everyone I have encountered have been true gents and it seems that the honor code lives on and works very well with this group.
I agree with checking out the traders post count, forum status and join date.
Everyone I have encountered have been true gents and it seems that the honor code lives on and works very well with this group.
I agree with checking out the traders post count, forum status and join date.
I've had one bad trade experience with a realitively new member. We agreed to ship at the same time. He got his knives, I never got mine. He claims the one he sent me was returned marked "undeliverable". He then decided he didn't want the knives I had sent him and returned them....TO THE SAME ADDRESS HE CLAIMS HE SENT THE FIRST ONES TO, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT IF IT WAS RETURNED UNDELIVERABLE?
Basically he got my knives, played with them and returned them, having never sent his end of the deal. I am not the Wal-Mart of knives! I repeatedly asked for a tracking number which he claimed he had, but he kept ignoring my request.
I guess I am now much more wary of new members....I have great feedback on several forums and should have know better, but I was trusting as I had never had a bad experience.
Basically he got my knives, played with them and returned them, having never sent his end of the deal. I am not the Wal-Mart of knives! I repeatedly asked for a tracking number which he claimed he had, but he kept ignoring my request.
I guess I am now much more wary of new members....I have great feedback on several forums and should have know better, but I was trusting as I had never had a bad experience.
As mentioned above you'll have a good experience if you:
1. look in good bad and ugly
2. if you can't find them in that ask them for references
3. be clear and make sure both parties understand the trade details
4. describe your knife honestly and if possible send a picture
5. I prefer to trade within the U.S. for ease of shipping. usps priority has been very very good to me and for 5.25 a pop you can't beat it.
6. you can get a pretty good feel for a person by reading some of their posts.
all of the people i've dealt with here have been great so bo up and give it a try. ahgar
1. look in good bad and ugly
2. if you can't find them in that ask them for references
3. be clear and make sure both parties understand the trade details
4. describe your knife honestly and if possible send a picture
5. I prefer to trade within the U.S. for ease of shipping. usps priority has been very very good to me and for 5.25 a pop you can't beat it.
6. you can get a pretty good feel for a person by reading some of their posts.
all of the people i've dealt with here have been great so bo up and give it a try. ahgar
If you are new with no or very little feedback it would not be uncommon for someone to ask you to send first.On my first few trade deals I let the other party know I was new and had no problem sending first.
When you get some posts under your belt and several good feedbacks you will have no trouble at all.Most of the time two longtime members doing a trade will ship at the same time.
When you get some posts under your belt and several good feedbacks you will have no trouble at all.Most of the time two longtime members doing a trade will ship at the same time.
The only problem with shipping out of the US is that some customs will seize knives.Canada seems to be the worst for this.If I am selling I make it clear that if it is going outside the US I can not be held responsible for the item after it is shipped.
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one other thing i would suggest is become friends with a gold member since you can't look up a person (search function is off for non paying members.....i am not complaining about it either) and have them look up the name of the person you are thinking or trading with.
Lets see if I can get through this post without so many typos? (really bad lately, maybe I should switch to decaf)
Anyhow, It is very improtant to remember that all points are negotiable. A deal is not a deal until both parties are happy. This is true throughout the negotiation and shipping.
It starts with good, honest descriptions. Disclose everything. I would much rather have someone post or email, "this is much nicer than I expected."
Feedback is good to look for, but I have most frequently shipped first. The reason is simple to me. My reputation means a lot to me. I would much rather the other party recieves my knife, approves of it, and then ships their end. There will always be risk, but I know I have held up my end.
One more point, then I will stop. Always be polite. Clear communication and good manners leads to good deals and friendships over time. It is too easy to be misunderstood in this medium. Always do your best to be polite and respectful.
Recently, I had to decline an offer to purchase a knife from me. I was uncomfortable with the distance (Thailand) and there being two parties involved on the other end.
However, I did my best to apologize, explain my reasoning, and accept responsibility for failing to set my expectations up front.
Anyway, sort of long winded. Hope it is helpful.
Ed T
Anyhow, It is very improtant to remember that all points are negotiable. A deal is not a deal until both parties are happy. This is true throughout the negotiation and shipping.
It starts with good, honest descriptions. Disclose everything. I would much rather have someone post or email, "this is much nicer than I expected."
Feedback is good to look for, but I have most frequently shipped first. The reason is simple to me. My reputation means a lot to me. I would much rather the other party recieves my knife, approves of it, and then ships their end. There will always be risk, but I know I have held up my end.
One more point, then I will stop. Always be polite. Clear communication and good manners leads to good deals and friendships over time. It is too easy to be misunderstood in this medium. Always do your best to be polite and respectful.
Recently, I had to decline an offer to purchase a knife from me. I was uncomfortable with the distance (Thailand) and there being two parties involved on the other end.
However, I did my best to apologize, explain my reasoning, and accept responsibility for failing to set my expectations up front.
Anyway, sort of long winded. Hope it is helpful.
Ed T
I will add that I have had good international experiences in Denmark, UK, Australia, Canada, and Israel.
You may be asking why those countries and not Thailand? Remember I said everything is negotiable? The values were not as high on those deals.
Ed T
You may be asking why those countries and not Thailand? Remember I said everything is negotiable? The values were not as high on those deals.
Ed T
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Or, you can do an advanced searched in Google and type Bladeforums.com as the domain in which to search. But, if you plan on being here awhile and/or if you've already learned a few good things, at the very least, pony up the 10 to become a basic member.
Jason
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