Question for Medford Praetorian owners.....

I'd like to hear more on why people don't like Greg or Medford knives. I've been eyeing one (the micro praetorian and the 187f) mostly because I think the knives look great and would take a beating and stand up to anything I throw at it for EDC purposes and otherwise.

Honestly, a knife does not need to LOOK like it can take a beating to be able to take a beating.
My Shirogorovs are built better than any other production knife I have ever handled, and they do not look overbuilt, aren't blocky, and they cut like hell (once I put a better edge bevel on them, I'll admit).
Not to mention I have seen several threads on here, and evidence from Shirogorov themselves, that shows the immense amount of abuse that the knives can actually take.

I might have seen other companies claim their knives are "tanks" or "overbuilt" but very few of those companies actually put their money where their mouth is and test their knives openly for durability. One exception is Cold Steel, who really does make probably the toughest folder on the market right now, and doesn't get the credit they deserve.

I don't like to buy a knife that is "overbuilt", but rather a knife that is "built well".
Knives will handle way more than we give them credit for, and way more than you will ever need them to in many cases, without being overly-thick, massive, overweight hunks of steel that are more suited to being used as a wedge than a cutting tool.

Medford have some interesting designs, but they definitely are not my cup of tea. They are a knife that isn't designed to cut...yeah, that's about all there is to it.
 
That is not an opinion that carries any weight.
It's your own very personal and narrow minded opinion, and it does zero but piss people off...

It's like me jumping into a CRK thread and saying that a 'Sebenza is nothing special'
I don't think you will ever understand this, but I will try:

That may be my opinion, but:

A: It's irrelevant to the point that I need to keep it to myself.
B: It's going to derail what may be a good thread and get it locked.

As this one will most likely be....

You're misinterpreting my point. I'm not saying that Medfords are bad, but they aren't anything special. I'm narrow minded because I think a Loveless is special and a Medford isn't? Are you even a knife collector? Do you even know who Bob Loveless is?

Example... Have you ever heard of the Art Knife Invitational? Those makers make "special" knives, and there's a reason Greg Medford has never been invited.

I have many knives, custom and production, and none of mine are "special". They're just great knives that I enjoy. I'm not trying to say that OP shouldn't get what he wants, and I'm not bashing Medford. Calm down...
 
So far the best way I can describe this folder, in the short time I've had it, is there is a very strong resemblance to the BK2's usability. It's a hefty blade that can take a beat down, but excels at smaller tasks, as well as all cutting tasks. This is all just a brief observation in the last few hours I have been using this blade.

I will be giving it a thorough testing over the next month, like I do all my blades, and reports findings.

I will say, this knife has GREAT ergos for my monster hands.

What's a thread without pics right!!





Shredded the box it came in and cut some 1/4" vacuum hose 5 minutes into ownership.





Also very amazing how this beast of a knife rides in the pocket so very well.

Just my 2 cents so far.
 
You're misinterpreting my point. I'm not saying that Medfords are bad, but they aren't anything special. I'm narrow minded because I think a Loveless is special and a Medford isn't? Are you even a knife collector? Do you even know who Bob Loveless is?

Example... Have you ever heard of the Art Knife Invitational? Those makers make "special" knives, and there's a reason Greg Medford has never been invited.

I have many knives, custom and production, and none of mine are "special". They're just great knives that I enjoy. I'm not trying to say that OP shouldn't get what he wants, and I'm not bashing Medford. Calm down...

You are narrow minded because you think that what's 'special' to you is what's special.

The fact that you can't see the problem with that is 'special'

This is not about 'art knives' Bob Loveless, or being a 'collector' this is General Knife Discussion.
No need to beat your chest about what's worthy here, there's other parts of this forum for that...

Take a step back and look at this from another perspective, it really might help you understand why you piss so many people off.
 
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Just one last thing, because my head feels like I've been beating it against a wall.

If Mr. Loveless was still with us, I am sure he would be the first to say that not many people thought his knives where all that 'special' in the first 5 years.

I have no idea how Greg's work will be viewed in 20 or 30 years, and either does anyone else.
 
Great point!

Here are some more pics to hold you over.









Just one last thing, because my head feels like I've been beating it against a wall.

If Mr. Loveless was still with us, I am sure he would be the first to say that not many people thought his knives where all that 'special' in the first 5 years.

I have no idea how Greg's work will be viewed in 20 or 30 years, and either does anyone else.
 
Gizler00, I'm a total sucker for black & orange. You have a real nice knife, in MY humble opinion.
 
Gizler00, I'm a total sucker for black & orange. You have a real nice knife, in MY humble opinion.



Thanks man! I love it so far. Did you get yours yet? Or just place the pre order? It's going to look amazing with the flamed lock side.

I'll be sure to keep the pics coming if you don't mind.
 
Thanks for staying on topic Mark...

Kinda nice to use something, and then make a personal judgment on it's value as a tool....
It's refreshing, kinda like that pineapple.

Thanks Alex. You know how I operate. I never make a judgement or decision until I've had it in my hands and put it to work for some time.
 
Thanks man! I love it so far. Did you get yours yet? Or just place the pre order? It's going to look amazing with the flamed lock side.

I'll be sure to keep the pics coming if you don't mind.

I've been using it on & off for a month or so. Still not to the point I can easily open one handed.
 
I've been using it on & off for a month or so. Still not to the point I can easily open one handed.


I would love to see some pics of it!! How has it been after a month now? Have you sharpened it yet? This ones definitely a two handed opener.
 
Take a step back and look at this from another perspective, it really might help you understand why you piss so many people off.

I piss people off everyday, it's my job, what makes you think I care what random internet folks think? I'm done "beating my chest" in this thread, I'll go piss someone off in a different one. Everyone has an opinion, and it looks like you can't handle that without having a hissy-fit;)
 
Enough with the bickering, if you 2 (Blues Bender JR88FAN) cannot discuss anything amicably, put each other on ignore and move along, and STOP disrupting threads.
 
I'm not trying to start any more trouble in this thread, but I agree to a point with Blues Bender. I really really wanted to like Medford knives. I bought one direct from Greg in person and had some good conversation with him. After some use I found the design to be a little more form than function. That's NOT to say it can't be used or is a piece of junk, but I found it more difficult to use than more functional designs. I sold my first Praetorian T and eventually traded two high end knives for another Praetorian T, trying again to really like it. I just can't though. I believe the price for the materials is far too high, and the fact that the warranty is void if you take it apart doesn't sit right with me. I love the design though, and Gizzler00's pics make me want to try a Medford for a third time.

In summary here's my opinion. The Praetorian isn't a special groundbreaking knife design. The materials are fairly common nowadays and the price just doesn't match with them. I believe it can be used hard and stand up to it, but it may be a little more cumbersome to use than other designs. That's just my personal opinion though, and not hard facts.
 
I'm not trying to start any more trouble in this thread, but I agree to a point with Blues Bender. I really really wanted to like Medford knives. I bought one direct from Greg in person and had some good conversation with him. After some use I found the design to be a little more form than function. That's NOT to say it can't be used or is a piece of junk, but I found it more difficult to use than more functional designs. I sold my first Praetorian T and eventually traded two high end knives for another Praetorian T, trying again to really like it. I just can't though. I believe the price for the materials is far too high, and the fact that the warranty is void if you take it apart doesn't sit right with me. I love the design though, and Gizzler00's pics make me want to try a Medford for a third time.

In summary here's my opinion. The Praetorian isn't a special groundbreaking knife design. The materials are fairly common nowadays and the price just doesn't match with them. I believe it can be used hard and stand up to it, but it may be a little more cumbersome to use than other designs. That's just my personal opinion though, and not hard facts.

That's what all of our voices are on this forum, and that's what really makes it nice. All of us can share opinions, and while some people will be a little more vocal about their opinion, and it might not sit well with others here, they are still our opinions and are (hopefully) all grounded in some form of factual starting point.

Thanks for the input as well, because I had a similar issue with Medford, though I have never owned one myself. I have a good friend who collects with me and he had a chance to get one here locally, and let me play with it for a few days as well. While the knife looks cool, and it seems like it is well-made, in my opinion the knife was not really designed to be a knife.
At the very least, the cutting aspect of it's performance seems to be a secondary thought in the design. Sure, it looks tough, but they design really isn't that much stronger (except the thickness of the blade) than many other knives I have owned and used in the past, many of which are cheaper and all of which cut better.

It's not a worthless, useless, pointless, or factually bad knife, and it obviously has it's fans for a reason, but I am not one of them, and I have my own reasons for that as well.
The great thing is that there is a whole world of knives for all of us, and that world is still getting bigger...sometimes for better, and sometimes for worse. It all depends on what you are willing to buy, what your tastes are, and who is making the knife you want.

I would love to have a Medford that was designed with thinner blade stock, a lighter handle, and possibly a little better overall geometry for the blade, but that is not their MO.
 
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