Question for military or ex military personnel (soldiers)

What folders did you carry and what fixed b.has been carried by aircrew if I may ask?

Also, was that a battle or cargo ship? I assume battle ship, when you reply to this thread? Depends on what were your exact duties and code of conduct,,,,equipment would vary from one to another, but - everywhere in every situation you are allowed to use every possible form of defence (Included knife ect.) to eliminate threat to your life, this is common law across the globe, therefore non of the decorated personal could give you such an advice, unless you was on cargo ship and they were privately hired guns (contractors) to protect the ship (maritime security) and guys ment by it - not to mess arround with knife for security reasons, or were just boosting their egos over other personal on ship... There is a particular chain of command on each military vessel and nobody can prohibit you from any way of self-defence, especially in any life - threatening situation, such as pirates,etc... Thank you for your comment, interesting addition

True. It sounded more like he was saying that if a situation has progressed to the point where you are forced to defend yourself with a knife, something has messed up. Not that it is illegal to defend yourself with a knife, but that such a situation should not happen. My ex-army father would say something similar "if you have to use your sidearm, something's gone wrong." (He was in artillery, FWIW)

Then again, I could have completely misinterpreted the first statement...
 
I d like to get involved military or ex-military personnel from arround the world that served or still serving on active duty and ask them following questions :

1.) How many fixed blades do you usually carry on various assignments in the field and what exactly they are or (were)? brands /models
None, folders and multitools only. Now I carry a modified ZT 0180.


2.) Do /did you prefer to invest significant amount of money for desired premium knife of your own choice,even investing a lot of money or - rather relied on affordable option of average knife,or army issue only?

When still serving I never considered the true economy of a knife. I got what I saw as the best quality with a name I recognized.

3.) What knife surprised you very much and never let you down and what knife failed and let you down when needed?

None. All let me down in some ways and all impressed me in some ways unless I was talking about really cheap knives.

4.) What "all around" fixed blade would you recommend to other soldiers based on your own experience? (here you can also specify weather and climate conditions if any in particular)

For all around ruggedness in all environments I'd suggest a Busse, but that's not based on any personal experience.

5.) How do you maintain your edge /knife in field, if you do? (sharpening /oiling etc)

In the field? Lansky

Thanks for all replies.(doesn't need to go necessary from point 1 to point 5) please post photos of your military knife companions - if possible!

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What folders did you carry and what fixed b.has been carried by aircrew if I may ask?

Also, was that a battle or cargo ship? I assume battle ship, when you reply to this thread? Depends on what were your exact duties and code of conduct,,,,equipment would vary from one to another, but - everywhere in every situation you are allowed to use every possible form of defence (Included knife ect.) to eliminate threat to your life, this is common law across the globe, therefore non of the decorated personal could give you such an advice, unless you was on cargo ship and they were privately hired guns (contractors) to protect the ship (maritime security) and guys ment by it - not to mess arround with knife for security reasons, or were just boosting their egos over other personal on ship... There is a particular chain of command on each military vessel and nobody can prohibit you from any way of self-defence, especially in any life - threatening situation, such as pirates,etc... Thank you for your comment, interesting addition

i kept a basic swiss army knife in my personal shop drawer. I was three different aircraft carriers, 2 conventional and 1 nuke. US Navy ships are not a democracy, they are run by a commanding officer who can say what you can and cannot do. self defense for the ship was provided by 95 aircraft, 6 or 8 escort ships mounting guns and guided missles, a submarine or two, and a US Marine detachment that guarded the captain, the admiral, and weapons spaces. I worked in avaition electronics repair. one used a knife to open boxes and peel oranges. since personal knives were not "authorized tools", you never used them for equipment repair. pirates and such don't mess with warships of any size. we were advised never to take a knife ashore on liberty as police forces in England, Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Israel, UAE, Canada, and Singapore got very nervous very quick it they found a knife while seaching someone.
I was never involved in combat, although aircraft from my ship bombed Lebanon, Libya, and Iraq. my secondary job was firefighting and damage control, i was part of the damage control training team on my last cruise. I wore dungarees and a chambray shirt for my working uniform, not the blue camy BDU outfit that is now worn.
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True. It sounded more like he was saying that if a situation has progressed to the point where you are forced to defend yourself with a knife, something has messed up. Not that it is illegal to defend yourself with a knife, but that such a situation should not happen. My ex-army father would say something similar "if you have to use your sidearm, something's gone wrong." (He was in artillery, FWIW)

Then again, I could have completely misinterpreted the first statement...

folks I have talked with about combat, say you try to have a plan A and a plan B and in your own mind a plan C, plan D...... using your knife was usually plan X or plan Y, either before of after using your entrenching tool.
scott
 
I bought a case scout knife before deploying to operation desert shield. Most of my buddies were buying large fixed blade knives. When I reminded them we were mechanics and a screwdriver blade would get used more they paid no attention. As time wore on most stopped caring those knives and were constantly asking to use my scout knife. When I got out in the guard I had a bucklite folder and then finally a leatherman supertool. The leatherman was the most useful for me as a master of baling wire repair.
 
don't have military experience but a few millennia ago when i was in the boyscouts as a kid i use to carry a small barlow and it worked great for anything i ever needed it for. Battoning, chopping, shaving, opening package, cutting finger nails, everything. you name it, it did it!! I'm pretty sure it would have been a good soldier knife too!
 
folks I have talked with about combat, say you try to have a plan A and a plan B and in your own mind a plan C, plan D...... using your knife was usually plan X or plan Y, either before of after using your entrenching tool.
scott
Depends on where and when. Often the likelihood of even having an etool are slim.
 
folks I have talked with about combat, say you try to have a plan A and a plan B and in your own mind a plan C, plan D...... using your knife was usually plan X or plan Y, either before of after using your entrenching tool.
scott

Most people with any combat experience will tell you, that few plans survive after the first shot.
 
i kept a basic swiss army knife in my personal shop drawer. I was three different aircraft carriers, 2 conventional and 1 nuke. US Navy ships are not a democracy, they are run by a commanding officer who can say what you can and cannot do. self defense for the ship was provided by 95 aircraft, 6 or 8 escort ships mounting guns and guided missles, a submarine or two, and a US Marine detachment that guarded the captain, the admiral, and weapons spaces. I worked in avaition electronics repair. one used a knife to open boxes and peel oranges. since personal knives were not "authorized tools", you never used them for equipment repair. pirates and such don't mess with warships of any size. we were advised never to take a knife ashore on liberty as police forces in England, Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Israel, UAE, Canada, and Singapore got very nervous very quick it they found a knife while seaching someone.
I was never involved in combat, although aircraft from my ship bombed Lebanon, Libya, and Iraq. my secondary job was firefighting and damage control, i was part of the damage control training team on my last cruise. I wore dungarees and a chambray shirt for my working uniform, not the blue camy BDU outfit that is now worn.
scott

Thanks for insight Scott.Some of the countries you was advised not to carry knives, even as a naval foreign officers are well known with anti - knives laws, anything bigger than a nail is prohibited to carry
 
The only knife I had a use for during a deployment was a little folder to try to kill those darn mre's yep it would slash em right open. Lost it in the back of a brad.
 
Just to add to the thread... Top picture is of a CSOR Assaulter during a training exercise, fixed blade karambit on his back. Middle photo Canada Navy MTOG(Maritime Tactical Operations Group), with a SOG fixed blade behind his pistol and bottom photo a MTOG Operator has a fixed blade in front of his pistol. I also remember seeing a picture of a different MTOG member who had a Benchmade SOCP. Just a few photos I could find quickly, both units do a lot of CQB... and these gentlemen seem to think fixed blades are still worth carrying.
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I think the big elephant in the room is...
Knifes where never an big thing in warfare.

Pointy sticks (spears) where pretty much the choice aside slings, then bows, crossbows, then any form of missile weapons.

Bajonets are more an psychological thing (yes they where used as weapon but the major point was not for killing, fatalities due to bajonet use where never the big thing, changing the tide of battle, a crowd of howling insanes charging with them though...it was more about psychological warfare, game of chicken).

If someone attacks me with an knife any sort of stick with enough weight is already an superior weapon. (real world not against the super triple worldmaster in knife combat situation)

Knifes are tools 99% of the time, so that is where i would focus on, not on sticking them into people, for that an good sized screwdriver already works quite well (and at the fraction of the cost, plus legal next to everywhere)

So well, the knife i carry is sturdy, holds an edge and is someway easy to sharpen to cut things, pry open things, serve as screwdriver, step on while sticking somewhere, lever, hammer things down, and cheap enough to be easy to replace.

It is an tool, not an weapon.

If i had to choose an weapon for close combat I would go for something that has an point (slashing modern fabrics, especially the type used by people who are in the buiseness of fighting is notoriously hard to cut.) and there the mentioned screwdriver with some "modding" comes into the game.

IF one wants to use an knife for close combat I think serious training is THE thing, knifes are pretty specialised.

Actual combat knives tend to be double edged and very pointy for an reason, the "survival" knives do not have that, they are shaped like "tool" knives, (or they would be daggers...)

Ancient knives used in combat where in the region of 15 to 30 inches and double edged. And never thought of as the first, second or third choice.

It helps to know some history of people who had to deal with close quarter combat as a matter of "normal" life.

If we talk swords (super knifes) then again, anyone who had an quarter staff and was trained in its use was already an major headache for the sword user.

That tells us that even swords where more a thing of convience and status, but not an first choice even for face to face exchange of arguments of rather physical nature.

Knights (and samurai) who are kinda all about swords did not use them in combat as long they had pointy sticks, heavy sticks, sticks with strings attached to shoot pointy sticks with avaiable, they used there sword as last resort (in actual combat)

Roman soldier would come to mind as the soldiers who used swords (or oversized knives) as primary weapon and that was under very specialised tactical conditions (and pointy and double edged, again)

Todays "combat" and "tactial" knives are tool shaped knives. not "weapon shaped" knives.

Close combat is about what one can grab and use, having an knife just for that reason is not really helpfull because it implies that the situation allows to employ it in an usefull fashion.

If one is really and serious concerned about close combat i would recomment street fighting training, (so called dirty tricks) where one learns not to think about what weapon to carry and how to use it but about how to use whatever is at hand, every normal room in todays life contains a lot of things more lethal than an normal knife (the "tactical" or "survival" shaped ones).

Hell, steelcapped boots or any equivalent to the knee can end an knife fight very quick and painfull. Do not focus on knives (as weapon) is my opinion, especially not the so called tactical or combat shaped ones offered, what you talk about here is dagger, two edges, pointy and about double the length of an k-bar.
 
I think the big elephant in the room is...
Knifes where never an big thing in warfare.

Pointy sticks (spears) where pretty much the choice aside slings, then bows, crossbows, then any form of missile weapons.

Bajonets are more an psychological thing (yes they where used as weapon but the major point was not for killing, fatalities due to bajonet use where never the big thing, changing the tide of battle, a crowd of howling insanes charging with them though...it was more about psychological warfare, game of chicken).

If someone attacks me with an knife any sort of stick with enough weight is already an superior weapon. (real world not against the super triple worldmaster in knife combat situation)

Knifes are tools 99% of the time, so that is where i would focus on, not on sticking them into people, for that an good sized screwdriver already works quite well (and at the fraction of the cost, plus legal next to everywhere)

So well, the knife i carry is sturdy, holds an edge and is someway easy to sharpen to cut things, pry open things, serve as screwdriver, step on while sticking somewhere, lever, hammer things down, and cheap enough to be easy to replace.

It is an tool, not an weapon.

If i had to choose an weapon for close combat I would go for something that has an point (slashing modern fabrics, especially the type used by people who are in the buiseness of fighting is notoriously hard to cut.) and there the mentioned screwdriver with some "modding" comes into the game.

IF one wants to use an knife for close combat I think serious training is THE thing, knifes are pretty specialised.

Actual combat knives tend to be double edged and very pointy for an reason, the "survival" knives do not have that, they are shaped like "tool" knives, (or they would be daggers...)

Ancient knives used in combat where in the region of 15 to 30 inches and double edged. And never thought of as the first, second or third choice.

It helps to know some history of people who had to deal with close quarter combat as a matter of "normal" life.

If we talk swords (super knifes) then again, anyone who had an quarter staff and was trained in its use was already an major headache for the sword user.

That tells us that even swords where more a thing of convience and status, but not an first choice even for face to face exchange of arguments of rather physical nature.

Knights (and samurai) who are kinda all about swords did not use them in combat as long they had pointy sticks, heavy sticks, sticks with strings attached to shoot pointy sticks with avaiable, they used there sword as last resort (in actual combat)

Roman soldier would come to mind as the soldiers who used swords (or oversized knives) as primary weapon and that was under very specialised tactical conditions (and pointy and double edged, again)

Todays "combat" and "tactial" knives are tool shaped knives. not "weapon shaped" knives.

Close combat is about what one can grab and use, having an knife just for that reason is not really helpfull because it implies that the situation allows to employ it in an usefull fashion.

If one is really and serious concerned about close combat i would recomment street fighting training, (so called dirty tricks) where one learns not to think about what weapon to carry and how to use it but about how to use whatever is at hand, every normal room in todays life contains a lot of things more lethal than an normal knife (the "tactical" or "survival" shaped ones).

Hell, steelcapped boots or any equivalent to the knee can end an knife fight very quick and painfull. Do not focus on knives (as weapon) is my opinion, especially not the so called tactical or combat shaped ones offered, what you talk about here is dagger, two edges, pointy and about double the length of an k-bar.
It looks like this hero who served in the Devils Brigade would disagree.
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I think the big elephant in the room is...
Knifes where never an big thing in warfare.

Pointy sticks (spears) where pretty much the choice aside slings, then bows, crossbows, then any form of missile weapons.

Bajonets are more an psychological thing (yes they where used as weapon but the major point was not for killing, fatalities due to bajonet use where never the big thing, changing the tide of battle, a crowd of howling insanes charging with them though...it was more about psychological warfare, game of chicken).

If someone attacks me with an knife any sort of stick with enough weight is already an superior weapon. (real world not against the super triple worldmaster in knife combat situation)

Knifes are tools 99% of the time, so that is where i would focus on, not on sticking them into people, for that an good sized screwdriver already works quite well (and at the fraction of the cost, plus legal next to everywhere)

So well, the knife i carry is sturdy, holds an edge and is someway easy to sharpen to cut things, pry open things, serve as screwdriver, step on while sticking somewhere, lever, hammer things down, and cheap enough to be easy to replace.

It is an tool, not an weapon.

If i had to choose an weapon for close combat I would go for something that has an point (slashing modern fabrics, especially the type used by people who are in the buiseness of fighting is notoriously hard to cut.) and there the mentioned screwdriver with some "modding" comes into the game.

IF one wants to use an knife for close combat I think serious training is THE thing, knifes are pretty specialised.

Actual combat knives tend to be double edged and very pointy for an reason, the "survival" knives do not have that, they are shaped like "tool" knives, (or they would be daggers...)

Ancient knives used in combat where in the region of 15 to 30 inches and double edged. And never thought of as the first, second or third choice.

It helps to know some history of people who had to deal with close quarter combat as a matter of "normal" life.

If we talk swords (super knifes) then again, anyone who had an quarter staff and was trained in its use was already an major headache for the sword user.

That tells us that even swords where more a thing of convience and status, but not an first choice even for face to face exchange of arguments of rather physical nature.

Knights (and samurai) who are kinda all about swords did not use them in combat as long they had pointy sticks, heavy sticks, sticks with strings attached to shoot pointy sticks with avaiable, they used there sword as last resort (in actual combat)

Roman soldier would come to mind as the soldiers who used swords (or oversized knives) as primary weapon and that was under very specialised tactical conditions (and pointy and double edged, again)

Todays "combat" and "tactial" knives are tool shaped knives. not "weapon shaped" knives.

Close combat is about what one can grab and use, having an knife just for that reason is not really helpfull because it implies that the situation allows to employ it in an usefull fashion.

If one is really and serious concerned about close combat i would recomment street fighting training, (so called dirty tricks) where one learns not to think about what weapon to carry and how to use it but about how to use whatever is at hand, every normal room in todays life contains a lot of things more lethal than an normal knife (the "tactical" or "survival" shaped ones).

Hell, steelcapped boots or any equivalent to the knee can end an knife fight very quick and painfull. Do not focus on knives (as weapon) is my opinion, especially not the so called tactical or combat shaped ones offered, what you talk about here is dagger, two edges, pointy and about double the length of an k-bar.
Not quite right about bayonets. In the days of cavalry, before rifled gun barrels, the only way for infantry to withstand a cavalry attack was to 'form square', at least two files deep. The front file kneeling with muskets braced on the ground and bayonets angled up and out - this was a serious deterrent to horses. As long as a square could hold, psychologically very challenging, cavalry would sustain heavy casualties. Furthermore, the bayonet was usually used, by British troops at least, as the enemy started to rout. Otherwise I do largely agree with you.
 
I carried my issued bayonet and a pocket knife of some sort and a multi tool.

The knives were for opening MREs, cutting cord, and passing time. Abusive cutting chores were covered by the bayonet, and if chopping had to be done, the e-tool was utilized.
 
I was already into customs when I joined the Marines, active and then recalled from 2002-2010.

The folder I carried was either a 1st gen tritium Strider AR that I purchased from TAD in 99 I think or a early Emerson CQC-7.

My first tour I took a 7” Bowie made by Edmund Davidson that weighed like 2 pounds. It was a master piece to me but I was always in and out of a vehicle and a large knife is a hinderance when you are running a gun on a turret.

I ordered a Benchmade Nimravus for the rest of that tour and loved it.

I carried a 5” clip point made by PJ Tomes on my second tour and that was perfect. The size and weight were just right. I still have it and it’s one of my prized possessions.

I hated the issues bayonets and never carried them but came across units that had been given orders to attach their bayonets for actual combat. It was to say the least a chilling sight to see young Marines grinning at the idea of running their enemies through.


Anyway, I carried a piece of Spydercos white ceramic sharpmaker that had broken off and would sharpen my buddies knives.


Bad photo of the ED Bowie.

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The Strider

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The Tomes which I still have

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I would not grade that as "melee" or "open combat" situation.
Finnish forces where famous for sneaking into camps and slitting throats (or taking ears, leaving people alive, psychological warfare)
Not an situation where an insurgent jumps from behind a wall and goes all stabby on you...
Furthermore they got special ops training, i wager that included an awefull lot of knife fighting too.

Not quite right about bayonets. In the days of cavalry, before rifled gun barrels, the only way for infantry to withstand a cavalry attack was to 'form square', at least two files deep. T...

That is similar to what roman soldiers did, formation fighting, using the bayonet to deter.
I am sure there where many instances where single soldiers managed to take down an rider with an bayonet too, but rifles at that time where pretty long, so we have an makeshift spear really.
No an short knife.... Given that i would prefer an bayonet as weapon (as long attacked to an rifle) over an knife. (or an pointy stick, really)
My grandfather used to play dead on the field and poke horse bellies with the bayonet. I put that under dirty tricks (aka smart figthting)
 
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