Question for military or ex military personnel (soldiers)

I would not grade that as "melee" or "open combat" situation.
Finnish forces where famous for sneaking into camps and slitting throats (or taking ears, leaving people alive, psychological warfare)
Not an situation where an insurgent jumps from behind a wall and goes all stabby on you...
Furthermore they got special ops training, i wager that included an awefull lot of knife fighting too.
You originally stated knives were never a big thing in warfare. You didn't say non-special operations warfare, you did bring up "melee" or "open combat" situations or mention training level. What is the difference between an opposing force hiding and "going all stabby on you" and the devils brigade sneaking into a camp (they could of hid behind walls!) and using their knives for a silent kill. Devils Brigade we're notorious for sneaking into German Strong holds, slitting throats then using German weaponry against other strongholds so they would think it is a friendly fire. You're changing your point from your original statement, by using semantics that you didn't mention earlier.

You also state "Todays "combat" and "tactial" knives are tool shaped knives. not "weapon shaped" knives" I think the Vietnam era SOG with their Bowie knives would disagree. Knives are a very versatile tool, that play a very niche role in combat, like many other weapon soldiers could use.

I'm only repeating what I've read from soldiers, not sure how you can argue against the men who actually have extensive experience in warfare.
 
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You originally stated knives were never a big thing in warfare. You didn't say non-special operations warfare, you did bring up "melee" ......
PRIMARY weapon.
OR weapon of choice
Spears/clubs/and mixtures of this where in heavy use.
Shortswords roman empire (used together with shieldwalls)

(reason i refer to theese is because theese where weapons for "face to face" over long period of times. People back then where as smart as todays people so we have a very long period of time things where tested out.

Then, it was about a very specific situation (bad guy jumps you from hiding) so not you sneaking up to someone but someone sneaking up to you.

Then, what knife would be best for such an situation.

Obvious the one you have on you. DUH.

IF you have an choice about that the longer, the pointier, the better

NOT an "tactical" or "combat" knife made for cutting.

Where single edged shortish knives used succesfull? No doubt. (and kbar/bowie or puuko are "short" as fighting knives go)

Would people have used other knives given the choice? No doubt either.

But here it was about you mind your own buiseness and someone jumps you and stabs or whatever, how to defend if you have an choice

In that very limited special condition an "slasher" is not the ideal at all.

In finnish winter wars Puuko where used a lot, but again, they are first tools, second weapons, they where what people had, finnish soldiers did not consider them a weapon, they considerd them a tool that had some use as a weapon under limited circumstances.

So i say the big elephant in the room is, if you want an FIGHTING knife, do not look at TOOL knifes.

(if you want an knife for fighting purposes)

Fighting knifes are of the dirk type, double edge and pointet, some had even no edge to speak about and where basical an spike, like an real bayonet.

Then, training. No army today trains the average joe in knife fighting, so if you want to have hope to defend yourself from an surprise attack with an knife you bloody well train hard for that, and as soon it is down to wrestling distance knives are only one of many ways to defend yourself.

So my conclusion is that you get more use out of learning the bag of dirty tricks to defend against surprise attacks than fumbling for an knife stashed somewhere on your person, be it folding or not.

(trench warfare was as much using digging tools as weapons too, and theese people had bayonets as standard issue... you can not get much more close quarter combat than that but they preferred shovels quite often)

I never claimed knifes of any shape or form where not used with succes, only that they are not what was in a long bloody history of face to face combat was considerd the best choice, and that the knifes considerd a good choice where not of the form and shape you find today as "combat" knifes.

And that why i said see it as an tool, not as a weapon (but you can use it offcourse as one, succesfully, offcourse, people did it, offcourse)

An friend of mine is an very short and slim Korean and he can do things with his fingertips that are amazing, he put an guy double his weight made out of muscle out of action in front of my eyes (of the racist sort) so, if i want to protect myself against surprise attacks very close an personal (with extremly limited time to reach for an knife) well i think there is an answer.

All i said was about this very special circumstance and regarding the use of an knife (and that knives in history where more of the toolish type and not the weapon type)

yes there are plenty of documented cases where knives or similar implements where used with success, but not because people thought they where the best tool for the job, they where what they had, here it was about what do you bring if you have the choice.
 
Maybe go back to the original question from a couple years ago.

Your answers might be more appropriate if you read the OP's original post.

Just a thought.
 
The original question was in my opinion not anything one could answer to, given even two people under same condition may consider very different knives as the best, i prefer Opinel 12 for leisure trips and m59 sissi otherwise.
 
Army - Light Infantry ‘83-91.

Carried a K-Bar (mostly used to carve sector/fpf stakes) and SAK Huntsman (mostly to cut paracord, open packages).

I did and would not invest in a premium blade. Why? The Kbar totally did the job (I still have it) and soldiers don’t make as much money as they should.

The SAK was my big surprise. I used it in every job from Rifle PL to Battalion staff.

I never had to field sharpen either blade.
 
Oops. If I had to do it again, I’d go with an ESSE 4.

There's an interesting premise; if we had to do it all over again, what would be in our kit?

I've thought about that a good deal. Things have changed quit a bit since my time, and there's no C-rations anymore. Every case of rations had a few handful of P=38's in them so by the end of any field deployment we all had a P-38 hanging on our dog tags. It was our can opener, screw driver, awl, and light pry tool. So most times I pulled out my pocket knife it was to cut something. Pure and simple a cutting tool. At one time or another, I used all three blades of my Buck stockman, cutting cordage, opening ammo boxes, c-ration cases, cutting brush to disguise a foxhole.

I think from my own experience I'd go the same route with a handy but compact folder in a pocket. A pure cutting tool of some kind, with a couple of blades for different uses and having different edges, that even when I didn't have my web gear on, it would still be there in a pocket.
 
I d like to get involved military or ex-military personnel from arround the world that served or still serving on active duty and ask them following questions :

1.) How many fixed blades do you usually carry on various assignments in the field and what exactly they are or (were)? brands /models

2.) Do /did you prefer to invest significant amount of money for desired premium knife of your own choice,even investing a lot of money or - rather relied on affordable option of average knife,or army issue only?

3.) What knife surprised you very much and never let you down and what knife failed and let you down when needed?

4.) What "all around" fixed blade would you recommend to other soldiers based on your own experience? (here you can also specify weather and climate conditions if any in particular)

5.) How do you maintain your edge /knife in field, if you do? (sharpening /oiling etc)

Thanks for all replies.(doesn't need to go necessary from point 1 to point 5) please post photos of your military knife companions - if possible!
I just carried my M16 and bayonet. Pack light, freeze at night. Lol
 
We carried what ever we could get our hands on.
 

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In Vietnam with the 173 rd. Airborne Brigade, I carried this knife which was passed onto me from my Dad who carried it in WWII.
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Hey guys,

British Infantry company in Iraq 08/09 trained as strike ops door kickers but ended up doing anti smuggling patrols, force protection, check points etc.

Everyone had an issued Leatherman Core specifically for cutting large cable ties, carried on the belt normally. Pretty much everyone had a folder of some sort carried in chest rigs and probably 1 in 3 had some sort of fixed blade carried on their armour normally.
By far, the multitools had the most use.

Bayonets wise; we all took them but can't remember carrying mine at all unless it lived in my daysack.
Having said that though, served with a couple of guys who'd been involved in bayonet charges; one in Iraq and one in Afghan.

Interesting reading all your posts
 
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