Question On My GIB Build.

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Thought I would show a couple pics and have a QUESTION . Ok I got it all cleaned up primed painted and then remembered, DUH, one side of the base plate had TOP on it. Well needless to say I cannot tell, and I cannot find any difference from side to side. Anybody got and info or should I try to email Jamie ? Thanks and here are a couple pics.And everybody was right, not cheap building. I already had the 3hp 3 phase motor.Not counting the grinder frame, I spent approx $500 on wheels, all haven't come in yet, $375 on the VFD $75 0n tooling arms material, maybe $20 on good bolts. I haven't even ordered any belts yet. I haven't built any platen and need to order a piece of that ceramic glass stuff for the platen. I built me a couple knife vise while waiting on parts and paint to dry.Thanks again for the input.Grinder Build 2.jpeg Grinder Build 3.jpeg Grinder Build 4.jpeg
 
Sounds like a plan to me. Thanks. I did check it and it fits both sides, one might be a tad tighter fit and thats the side I will go to. I had thought about doing a weld in a couple spots also. so I might do that too. Thanks for the input.
 
Wrap in paper, clamp tight and weld. The paper will give you enough tolerance so things slide easily without much play. You won't regret welding it, especially when you realize how many hours of tapping you have ahead of you.
 
Wrap in paper, clamp tight and weld. The paper will give you enough tolerance so things slide easily without much play. You won't regret welding it, especially when you realize how many hours of tapping you have ahead of you.
Just my 2 cents, but tapping the plates that create the tool arm pockets is not difficult. Like I said, the main upright to the base can be tricky (it's a blind hole, not a through hole). Whatever you weld, make sure you tack it and don't weld an entire piece at one time. What I'm getting at, is move around your pieces that need to be welded to reduce the risk of warping a plate by doing one long bead at a time. Anything you can do to reduce any chance of being out of alignment will be appreciated once it's all together and you have an easier time getting it to track correctly. this is ESPECIALLY true for the connection where the tracking adjustment mount attaches to the tracking arm. I actually widened the inset on the arm a tad and made the holes in the tracking arm mount a bit elongated side to side as you look at the grinder from the front. This allowed me to make a bit of adjustment to this critical junction when I had tracking issues. I also did NOT tap my holes for the platen wheels. I just through drilled and used a nut. That way i removed a point of possible variance by me not risking tapping non- perpendicular.
 
The way the GIB is built now it has nut slots in the motor mount plate where it bolts to the base. I may bolt it temp to weld and not long weld seams, and then remove the bolts and the bolt heads will not be under the base plate. Other than the motor plate to the base what other parts would you weld and not bolt ? Or do both , bolt and weld ? Also this nice little piece came in today. Won't be long I will have a Burr King value laying on the shop floor.
 

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Now when the time comes I just hope I can wire this thing. I have done my own wiring of shop and house so hopefully this should not be too bad that I can't figure it out.
 
Now when the time comes I just hope I can wire this thing. I have done my own wiring of shop and house so hopefully this should not be too bad that I can't figure it out.
Not a big deal, but be careful when wiring the vfd, the components inside a very delicate. Once it's seal up, not an issue.
 
The VFD appears to be a nice unit. I went by what I had researched on here and bought what I think is the best. I will check and double check my wiring when I get to it. What I need at the moment is a guide to what spacers are need to line all my wheels up. I guess it all goes by feel. I turned down some bearing spacers last nite and made them different thickness. Center bearing spacer within the race area.
 
The VFD appears to be a nice unit. I went by what I had researched on here and bought what I think is the best. I will check and double check my wiring when I get to it. What I need at the moment is a guide to what spacers are need to line all my wheels up. I guess it all goes by feel. I turned down some bearing spacers last nite and made them different thickness. Center bearing spacer within the race area.
On my machine (which for clarification is my own design that is based on the EERF or GIB) I used the tracking wheel as my baseline, as this is the one that is most likely to be the farthest to the right. I used calipers to figure out how far it was from the arm when it's straight up and down. I used one machine bushing on each side of this wheel. use only the minimum thickness you need to do the job. Next, the drive wheel- using the measurement in the last step, I set the drive wheel the same distance from the main body, as this plane is the same plane as the arm (if it's mounted to the RIGHT of the main upright, if not, subtract 1". now that those wheels are in line, its on to the platen wheels (and large wheel if you are using them). Using the same measurement above, you should be pretty bang on with just one machine bushing on each side of the wheels. If not, and you need to add a lot (I did on my contact wheels), you can use a piece of 1/2' steel spacer tube. I miced it to a hair longer than i figured i needed, and ground it down to the right length from there. If it's not tracking well at this point, you may have a wheel out of plane. It's unlikely to be your drive wheel, so next check your platen wheels. First, make sure they didn't loosen up. If you tapped the holes, maybe they are not perfectly straight. Use a square to ensure the wheels are 90° to the platen C plate, or to the tooling arm, in the case of contact wheels. If they are off, just drill those suckers out with a 1/2" drill and use a through bolt and nut (loctight it later or do what I did and use nylock nuts) to secure. Don't crank them down hard. last is the most probable cause, but the hardest to fix, the tracking wheel. Did you think the holes you tapped in the tension arm were dead nuts on? You may be doubting that, and with good reason. Variance here can make a big tracking headache. the wheel needs to be in plane with the arm and this can get messed up by flubbing that tapping AND by flubbing up drilling the hole that contains the hinge pin, AND by flubbing the drill/ tap of the contact wheel axle hole. if it's out of whack vertically, it's not a huge deal, since this plane is adjustable (that's what the tracking is supposed to do). If it is out of plane in the horizontal, you can do a few things. First try flipping the piece that the tracking wheel screws into around. if tracking improves, leave it, if not, switch it back. you can loosen the screws that mount the tracking assembly to the arm and shim it out a bit with some flashing, or soda can material. you can also grind a machine bushing just a bit at an angle. If it's really bad, you can file the two mounting holes in the tracking assembly so you can rotate it a hair right to left. you may need to shim it before tightening it back up to ensure it doesn't move back. Sorry for the wall of text, but obviously, I've been down that road...
 
All this is very informative , I appreciate you taking your time to respond with such a helping post. I already have thru bolts on the tracking brackets. I am going to disassemble it to weld the base plate to motor plate so I donot have all the top weight to deal with when trying to keep everything at a 90 angle. I will let ya know the good bad and ugly of my situation after I get more into it. Thanks again
 
All this is very informative , I appreciate you taking your time to respond with such a helping post. I already have thru bolts on the tracking brackets. I am going to disassemble it to weld the base plate to motor plate so I donot have all the top weight to deal with when trying to keep everything at a 90 angle. I will let ya know the good bad and ugly of my situation after I get more into it. Thanks again
can you post a picture of the tracking bracket bolts you are talking about? unless the design changed, the holes for bolts that mount the tracking assembly to the tracking arm (the one you pull down to load a belt) HAVE to be drilled and tapped.
 
The VFD appears to be a nice unit. I went by what I had researched on here and bought what I think is the best. I will check and double check my wiring when I get to it. What I need at the moment is a guide to what spacers are need to line all my wheels up. I guess it all goes by feel. I turned down some bearing spacers last nite and made them different thickness. Center bearing spacer within the race area.

You won't be disappointed with the VFD drive. I have the same one and it's very nice and easy to use and already sealed. Take your time and read the book on the settings inside of it. I used the liquid tight couplings and flexible conduit from lowes when I wired it, so it's basically impossible for dust to get in it when it's closed.
 
The way the GIB is built now it has nut slots in the motor mount plate where it bolts to the base. I may bolt it temp to weld and not long weld seams, and then remove the bolts and the bolt heads will not be under the base plate. Other than the motor plate to the base what other parts would you weld and not bolt ? Or do both , bolt and weld ? Also this nice little piece came in today. Won't be long I will have a Burr King value laying on the shop floor.

Read the manual before you power it up. You risk frying it if you do it sting.
 
Welllllll hit a bit of a too big problem. The 3 phase 3 hp motor, bolt pattern is right but as you can see the motor will not fit. Here is a couple pics.Already bought and unwrapped the 5" drive with 7/8" bore. I will get a pic of the tracking mount. I might have it wrong. But I know I have a problem with the motor. This is bad. I have a whole shop full of really nice motors and none to suit this.
 

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You can modify the grinder to fit the motor, ie. cut off the base plate and space it out the amount you need and grind the tracking arm to clear the motor, or get a different motor.

Man, that sucks!!!
 
Here is the tracking mount pics. Ya think thats a bit more motor than I need ? LOL Thanks everybody.
 

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Yea it does. What is even worse, I have at least a half dozen motors. I have a Marathon 3 hp still in wrapping,but its single phase and even larger than this one. I am going to look at all mine again to be sure I don't have something else. Can I use say a 1 1/2 hp or 2 hp with the same VFD that I have ? Not sure I am going to have a use for the drive pulley when I find a motor. I donot want to be at the low end of power, so what should I go with as a step up on motor ?
 
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