Question to Buck 112 & 442 owners

chickentrax

chickentrax

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I'd like to ask a favor: If you own both a 112 with the clip-point blade, and a 442 (or even a 422) with a drop-point blade, could you compare the two and tell me if in your opinion the blades look like they could be swapped???

I'd like to put a drop-point blade in a 112...It almost looks like the blades are the same size, like the location of the pivot pin (off-center in the bolster); the distance between the pivot pin and the rockerbar pivot pin; the shape of the blade tang; etc. But I don't have a 442/422 to look at. :(

I'd appreciate it very much! I also need to know the model/year of the knife you compare.

Thankyouverymuch!... :D
 
Trax,
Best of luck in your latest project. I think you're right on target getting the info up front. Perhaps an assurance that the 112 and 442/422 are of the same vintage would also be in order due to the potential variation in size throughout the years.
Mike
 
Mike Kerins said:
Perhaps an assurance that the 112 and 442/422 are of the same vintage would also be in order due to the potential variation in size throughout the years.
Mike
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I was just getting ready to hijack your thread again... :D

I forgot I had an older slab-sided 112 two-dot...as well as the newer rounded "igloo" 112...[1997]...the two-dot 112 blade is 2 29/32" long...bolster to tip...the "igloo" 112 is 3" spot-on...

(Maybe we should make up a listing of 110 and 112 blade lengths according to tang stamps...might make it easier to decide if the blade has been ground/sharpened a lot...) :rolleyes:
 
The two dot is still fairly new. The ones I've been measuring are from the 70's and measure 2 13/16" and 2 7/8"
 
Mike Kerins said:
The two dot is still fairly new...
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OK; I described it incorrectly...it is a dot112dot - 1974 to 1980...so I guess that would be a "one dot"... ;)

And it has no grind transition line; it is smoothed...
 
112 2 dot slab side------2.937
112< ------------------2.986
112 4 dot FG-----------3.016
112 3 dot FG-----------3.010
112 u(upside down)-----2.900
112 T(upside down)FG--2.923
Seems the distance from the hole centerline to the top of the blade runs .500 to .508 on all of mine.
 
...Measured from tip of blade to bolster with depth mic and dial caliper to verify...
 
DarrylS said:
...Measured from tip of blade to bolster with depth mic and dial caliper to verify...
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I just held mine against a steel rule... ;)

My Nickel Silver/Charcoal Idaho 112 is 2 31/32"...
 
chickentrax said:
OK; I described it incorrectly...it is a dot112dot - 1974 to 1980...so I guess that would be a "one dot"... ;)

And it has no grind transition line; it is smoothed...
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OK, You got me. I was thinking of a four dot. Sorry (so shoot me!) :p :p
 
:cool: :cool: ...LOL...You guys are a buncha characters...It does seem though that most all the blades are fairly well interchangeable...Not entirely sure when the pivot bushing was added...Might have been around the "3 dot" or "4 dot" time-frame don'tcha think??...:cool: :D
 
DarrylS said:
:cool: :cool: ...LOL...You guys are a buncha characters...It does seem though that most all the blades are fairly well interchangeable...Not entirely sure when the pivot bushing was added...Might have been around the "3 dot" or "4 dot" time-frame don'tcha think??...:cool: :D
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Doesn't the four dots indicate the addition of the pivot bushing? My initial concern over the length of the blade was whether or not a newer and slightly longer blade would fit into an older body. That generated my comment about using blades from the same generation as a means of making sure. Whew!!
 
DarrylS said:
Might have been around the "3 dot" or "4 dot" time-frame don'tcha think??...:cool: :D
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Richard Matheny's "110 Variations" shows the bushing added in 1974 on the "2-dot" 110's...I would suppose the 112 followed suit...
 
:D :D :eek: We are Cutlery Afficionadoes!!! ;) :D[/QUOTE]
I was just gonna call you guys that..."what he said"...LMAO...
I believe you are right Mike...That's when they made the "gravity knife" modification...:cool:
 
Darryl,
Right, and I was noticing that there was a distinct difference in the geometry of my early 112 and my two dot version. It's subtle but noticable. The body is slightly longer as is the blade. Could this have been dome to accomodate the modifications? This is me just pondering!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Mike
 
That's quite possible Mike. It just seems that because there have been so very many slight tweeks and modifications made thru the years plus the fact that there were and are a lot of "hand" operations on these knives , it would be really tough to find a whole lot of knives that didn't vary from knife to knife. That notwithstanding, I think Bucks engineering department has worked with a design that is so good, it lends itself to repair by replacement of components. It's also quite possible that this was not intended. It just shows how a good design can flourish all by itself.:cool: :eek: ...good lord...did all of that come outa these fingers??...LOL...
 
Mike Kerins said:
...and I was noticing that there was a distinct difference in ...slightly longer...blade...
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I'm looking and thinking that the tip, under the entire chamfer, changed slightly...the blade tapers more on the later versions...the early versions look blunter...and the chamfer on the later versions is slightly...shorter??? :confused:
 
That seems to be the case Trax...I myself prefer the longer chamfer which creates the appearance of a much longer blade...
 
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