Random Thought Thread

[Boattale]

Pretty sure that's a crime, possibly even a felony.

Pretty sure that's way low on the list to worry about while fending off an attacking dog.

 

[WValtakis]

Ok. We’re talking self defense here. I’d take my chances with what’s available.

This was actually mentioned in a concealed carry class I took. Fwiw

I just looked it up, it is indeed a federal felony to misuse pesticides. That concealed carry class instructor is suggesting VERY bad ideas.

 

[Murphjd25]

I know a thing or two about Murphys law. Usually when it rains, it pours. We always get through it though. Get better guys.

 

[Mendoman]

I second the use of bear spray. It shoots a lot farther out of the can so you don’t have to let whatever is coming at you get as close. I wish all of your crew a speedy recovery from bites and Covid.

 

[mb>]

I just looked it up, it is indeed a federal felony to misuse pesticides. That concealed carry class instructor is suggesting VERY bad ideas.

He was a judge too. Go figure.

Not gonna argue use of deadly force Chip. It’s obviously a serious decision, even when a dog is chomping on your leg.

 

[bluemax_1]

Pretty sure that's a crime, possibly even a felony.

That, and it's urban myth nonsense, including the folks advocating using it over pepper spray for self defense against people (and it always comes with the "make some silly claim for why you have wasp spray", with it).

Look at the most common active ingredients in various brands of wasp spray. They're all pyrethroid and pyrethrin class pesticides.

The folks who don't know anything about the subject, read a little bit in the ibterwebz and go, "Ooo... it's a fast acting nerve agent toxin, that acts instantaneously! Should use this for XXXX!"

Yeah, it's an extremely potent nerve agent, that's extremely toxic... to INSECTS (and fish, amphibians and cats).

On humans or dogs, sure, in extremely high quantities, it's potentially toxic. Like if you could get them to drink/swallow the whole container. Otherwise, it's about as effective as offering a mugger a whole lot of sweets, and hoping they die of diabetes.

And yes, it's a felony to use it in manners other than directed on the label. Some asshat is in prison, because he was doping dead animals with extremely high quantities of a pesticide (some stupid claim about trying to kill coyotes IIRC), except all the poison he was scattering everywhere around his property killed something like hundreds of animals (including bears and other fairly large animals, some of them, protected species).

 

[bluemax_1]

Ok. We’re talking self defense here. I’d take my chances with what’s available.

This was actually mentioned in a concealed carry class I took. Fwiw

If they specifically mentioned/advocated carrying wasp spray for dogs (or humans) for 'self defense', ask for your money back. If they're that clueless about this, what else were they equally clueless about?

 

[bluemax_1]

I just looked it up, it is indeed a federal felony to misuse pesticides. That concealed carry class instructor is suggesting VERY bad ideas.

As my other post details, bad in more ways than one.

 

[mb>]

Well damn. I stirred up a hornet’s nest with that one. Please ignore my random thought of the day!

Thx B bluemax_1 . I’ll just go back to work now.

 

[JACKMANDU]

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My 15-year-old boy walks up our road to get the mail. He enjoys his little walks and we appreciate him getting the mail. The neighbor's dog came over onto our property and bit the shit out of him. A lot of these aren't scratches these are gaping wounds that are 1/4-in deep.

I'm fucking pissed

No lawyers needed. The solution is simple if you are not after money. The neighbor chains up the dog. Nathan puts a bullet in its head. Everyone shakes hands.

 

[bluemax_1]

No lawyers needed. The solution is simple if you are not after money. The neighbor chains up the dog. Nathan puts a bullet in its head. Everyone shakes hands.

Personally, if they killed some chickens... maybe. Attack and injure my family? That's not gonna cut it.

 

[Standard78]

Well it looks like NASA will be slamming a $324.5 million dollar chunk of metal into a rock tonight.

I would’ve done it for half the price.

 

[on_the_edge]

Sorry to hear about the Covid, Jo. Man, when it rains, it pours. I hope you feel better soon. Tell Nathan jewelry and chocolate help speed up the recovery process.

And congrats, Benny, on your slam dunk win. It sounds like you had quite the commanding lead on the #2 competitor. That's awesome!

 

[Jo the Machinist]

Personally, if they killed some chickens... maybe. Attack and injure my family? That's not gonna cut it.

This dog has also mauled a chicken. I saw it torturing it while it was still alive. It is also come at me before.

 

[JACKMANDU]

Personally, if they killed some chickens... maybe. Attack and injure my family? That's not gonna cut it.

I agree. But the dog going buy buy would be a must for me.

 

[Jo the Machinist]

I agree. But the dog going buy buy would be a must for me.

Yeah that's non-negotiable. And they're paying the ER visit.

 

[Blues]

Yeah that's non-negotiable. And they're paying the ER visit.

Glad to hear that, Jo.

 

[Jo the Machinist]

So animal control came to pick it up and the dog is gone. So either they're lying to law enforcement or they have irresponsibly let an aggressive dog roam free to attack someone else.

 

[on_the_edge]

So animal control came to pick it up and the dog is gone. So either they're lying to law enforcement or they have irresponsibly let an aggressive dog roam free to attack someone else.

As I understand it, quarantine is required bc they need to know if the dog has, among other things, rabies. This is turning into an even bigger cluster. Ugh!

 

[Richard338]

That, and it's urban myth nonsense, including the folks advocating using it over pepper spray for self defense against people (and it always comes with the "make some silly claim for why you have wasp spray", with it).

Look at the most common active ingredients in various brands of wasp spray. They're all pyrethroid and pyrethrin class pesticides.

The folks who don't know anything about the subject, read a little bit in the ibterwebz and go, "Ooo... it's a fast acting nerve agent toxin, that acts instantaneously! Should use this for XXXX!"

Yeah, it's an extremely potent nerve agent, that's extremely toxic... to INSECTS (and fish, amphibians and cats).

On humans or dogs, sure, in extremely high quantities, it's potentially toxic. Like if you could get them to drink/swallow the whole container. Otherwise, it's about as effective as offering a mugger a whole lot of sweets, and hoping they die of diabetes.

And yes, it's a felony to use it in manners other than directed on the label. Some asshat is in prison, because he was doping dead animals with extremely high quantities of a pesticide (some stupid claim about trying to kill coyotes IIRC), except all the poison he was scattering everywhere around his property killed something like hundreds of animals (including bears and other fairly large animals, some of them, protected species).

As a chemist it is easy to think of all sorts of nasty concoctions, but it's best to remember that whenever you go spraying stuff, especially outside, you are likely to get at least a little exposure yourself. I'd stick with something like bear spray.