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Random Thought Thread

Murphjd25 said:
Yeah it’s tomorrow night! I thought it was Saturday night, I am glad I checked again.

I honestly think Mike has a chance. Did you guys see his video he posted the other day? Dude was hitting like he did when he was young.
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I’d heard about this upcoming fight a while back, but really had no interest in looking it up, as I’d simply assumed it was going to be another exhibition match like the Roy Jones ‘fight’ (where I’m pretty sure the agreement was that neither boxer seriously tried to KO the other).

Apparently, while this may have originally been planned as an exhibition match, it’s been registered as a Professional Boxing Match now, so I went looking for some current videos of Iron Mike (TX had another sanctioned pro match with a 62 y/o up against a young boxer, where the match ended in the 1st round with the 62y/o being TKO’ed, so unlike exhibition matches with stipulations not to try to hurt the other guy, these matches can potentially result in KOs/TKOs).

I gotta say, I have to disagree with your take. Not only does Mike not look anywhere close to his prime shape in his youth, he’s also notably in poorer shape than he was in the pre-Roy Jones match training videos.

Does he still have enough power to KO Jake? Yep.

I haven’t seen any of JP’s fights, so I’m just going off the video that showed both of them getting in a ring to show off a little bit of what they can do against a trainer with focus mitts.

While Mike can still generate enough power to potentially KO Jake, if he connects with a clean hit, he doesn’t have the speed and explosiveness from even 4 years ago, in the training videos for the exhibition match against Roy Jones, much less anywhere near his youth/prime.

The other thing is how gassed he seemed from just that little bit of exhibition against a trainer holding focus mitts.

While I’d still root for him to KO JP, I can see why Vegas has the odds against him.
 
Murphjd25 said:
Oh wow I didn’t realize that. I thought I remembered it being one or two years. I’ll shoot them an email.
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I have an Arkfeld that won't charge and won't turn on. Went through the website and did the warranty process yesterday. They shipped me a new light within 15 minutes.

I do have to ship the defective flight back to them when I receive the new light. I did the same for a Warrior X that died a few years ago and they sent me a new one.
 
While it does seem unlikely

Mike only needs to land one perfect punch and that is entirely within the realm of possibility. He's an experienced professional fighter against a talented YouTube personality who has never been in the ring with something like Tyson before.

It's probably going to end the way they predict it, which is going to make me sad, but if Mike can ring that dude's bell, I'm going to be in a good mood for a week.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
While it does seem unlikely

Mike only needs to land one perfect punch and that is entirely within the realm of possibility. He's an experienced professional fighter against a talented YouTube personality who has never been in the ring with something like Tyson before.

It's probably going to end the way they predict it, which is going to make me sad, but if Mike can ring that dude's bell, I'm going to be in a good mood for a week.
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Aside from reading that JP was a social media influencer, who decided to try pro boxing, I have no idea who he is, and haven’t seen any of his fights, but he’s listed as having 11 sanctioned fights, with 10 wins, 1 loss. 7 of those wins by KO.

Watching the snippets of him in the demo, he definitely has the power to KO Mike, and it seems like he’s planning to use his reach advantage to stay on the outside until Mike tires (and he has the advantage of being 30 years younger. Unlike Mike, who looked gassed just from the short demo, JP looked fine).

That’s what’s concerning. Mike’s fighting style was simple, and brutal. He basically overwhelmed his opponents with aggression and power. Always coming forward and hammering them repeatedly, creating the openings for KOs.

What I saw in the demos… I don’t think he has the gas for that anymore, which means it comes down to landing a lucky shot. Not having seen any of JP’s pro bouts, I don’t know what his defenses are like. Speed wise, they’re pretty close. In his prime, Mike would’ve demolished him within the first 30 seconds.

Don’t really want to see Mike get KO’ed or even TKO’ed, but it seems like an uphill battle for him. Unless they decide to go easy on each other, I don’t see this going the full 8 rounds if they’re both trying to finish the fight.
 
These comments regarding the emergence of Jake Paul are attributed to Mike Tyson circa 3 years ago. In fact, Mike even promoted some of Paul's past bouts. They will both make a boatload of $ and frankly, today's youth are not interested in the old ways that the "sweet science" was being promoted. I am personally not a fan of Jake Paul and his antics/shenanigans but have to take my hat off to this guy in terms of the old adage, "Only in America...".

“He’s going to make them believe that they can really beat this guy because he’s white with blonde hair and blue eyes, and then they go in the ring and something different happens.”

Unlike a lot of critics, Tyson believes Paul has given the sport a big boost by securing a different audience to follow the sport.

“We started a genre and now we’ve got guys like [Jake] Paul doing this stuff. I think [Jake] Paul is a big shot in the arm for boxing," Tyson said.

"No boxer has ever brought that many people to the network like [Jake] Paul did and I think he’s good for boxing, he brings money to boxing."
 
Paul’s wins have been against MMA fighters & 2 boxers.
Their training is striking and grappling for all around combat.
His loss was to a boxer.
Did you see Tyson’s reflex after the weigh in slap?
Paul has youth on his side. IMO, Paul will have to KO Mike with the most perfect punch he’s ever mustered.
Clinching & running will only give Tyson opportunities. A slug fest with Tyson? Good luck.
Tyson will disassemble Paul’s lack of experience.
Paul is a click getter.
 
GmpaJim said:
Paul’s wins have been against MMA fighters.
Their training is striking and grappling for all around combat.
His loss was to a boxer.
Did you see Tyson’s reflex after the weigh in slap?
Paul has youth on his side. IMO, Paul will have to KO Mike with the most perfect punch he’s ever mustered.
Clinching & running will only give Tyson opportunities. A slug fest with Tyson? Good luck.
Tyson will disassemble Paul’s lack of experience.
Paul is a click getter.
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I hope you are right!
 
bluemax_1 said:
Aside from reading that JP was a social media influencer, who decided to try pro boxing, I have no idea who he is, and haven’t seen any of his fights, but he’s listed as having 11 sanctioned fights, with 10 wins, 1 loss. 7 of those wins by KO.

Watching the snippets of him in the demo, he definitely has the power to KO Mike, and it seems like he’s planning to use his reach advantage to stay on the outside until Mike tires (and he has the advantage of being 30 years younger. Unlike Mike, who looked gassed just from the short demo, JP looked fine).

That’s what’s concerning. Mike’s fighting style was simple, and brutal. He basically overwhelmed his opponents with aggression and power. Always coming forward and hammering them repeatedly, creating the openings for KOs.

What I saw in the demos… I don’t think he has the gas for that anymore, which means it comes down to landing a lucky shot. Not having seen any of JP’s pro bouts, I don’t know what his defenses are like. Speed wise, they’re pretty close. In his prime, Mike would’ve demolished him within the first 30 seconds.

Don’t really want to see Mike get KO’ed or even TKO’ed, but it seems like an uphill battle for him. Unless they decide to go easy on each other, I don’t see this going the full 8 rounds if they’re both trying to finish the fight.
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30 years, wow.
That's a lot
 
toker said:
I have an Arkfeld that won't charge and won't turn on. Went through the website and did the warranty process yesterday. They shipped me a new light within 15 minutes.

I do have to ship the defective flight back to them when I receive the new light. I did the same for a Warrior X that died a few years ago and they sent me a new one.
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might have to give them a shot again
 
GmpaJim said:
Paul’s wins have been against MMA fighters & 2 boxers.
Their training is striking and grappling for all around combat.
His loss was to a boxer.
Did you see Tyson’s reflex after the weigh in slap?
Paul has youth on his side. IMO, Paul will have to KO Mike with the most perfect punch he’s ever mustered.
Clinching & running will only give Tyson opportunities. A slug fest with Tyson? Good luck.
Tyson will disassemble Paul’s lack of experience.
Paul is a click getter.
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Yeah. It’s impractical for me to make a genuine assessment, not knowing JP’s abilities (especially his defense, having never seen him fight).

That 30 years and the difference in cardio is a steep hill, though.

Mike wasn’t exactly a technical boxer (and although I’m not as big of a boxing fan as Blues, I did follow Mike through most of his career. There was a notable difference in his early career under Teddy Atlas and Cus D’Amato, vs later, with Don King. He threw a lot more combos in his early career, repeatedly battering his opponent’s body and switching up between low and high for the KO. Under Don, he just went for a lot more one-shot bombs, looking for that KO, without the setup).

That raw aggression and power was always his advantage.

You can see the difference in speed and power here, and it looks like he’s slower now, than even a few years ago.


This video shows what his speed was really like, in his youth (and how his training focused a lot more on combos).


His training videos for the Roy Jones exhibition match, I would’ve said he had a decent chance of catching Jake, as those videos from 4 years ago, showed he still had decent combo speed and body movement/bobbing and weaving.

What I saw in the demo with JP, I’m not so sure. JP doesn’t have the quickest hands, but Mike doesn’t have a speed advantage anymore. KO power seems a wash. Both have the ability to KO the other.

I don’t have Netflix, and I won’t be watching this fight. I’d rather remember Mike in his prime, and wish him the best in this fight.
 
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Blues said:
Honestly, I don't like either of them or consider them men of character.
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Mike of old, was not a good man. I considered him a thug with impressive physical abilities (and his actions outside the ring didn’t change that opinion). Some recent interviews, though, seem to show that he’s matured quite a bit, since then.

No idea about JP, as I don’t do the whole social media circus, and tend to have negative impressions when I hear the term “social media influencer”.
 
Cus D'Amato was a major influence in his life, and helped him to overcome much of the thuggery developed during his Brownsville upbringing.
He died a couple years before I left NYC for good. Tyson has been his own worst enemy, (as are we all for the most part), and my opinions of him are based upon what I know of him from the past, and what I have heard from reliable folks I used to train or work with.

I don't really care who wins. Jake Paul is due for a nice comeuppance, and if Tyson loses, few will shed a tear or be all that surprised. It means a lot more to the bettors than it does to me.

It'll be a nice payday, I'm sure.
 
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