Random Thought Thread

Nathan the Machinist said:
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Good lord American can make anything expensive
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When you can willingly create your own currency and then the rest of the world, by and large, must own this currency as reserve for their intl. commerce, this does not necessarily bode well for true value. The quality still exudes excellence but the value becomes increasingly questionable. You are cut from a different kinda cloth Boss and sadly for America, are a rare breed these days.
 
bluemax_1 said:
FIFY.

1) very narrow use case scenario

2) .mil hasn’t been issuing/using M193 in a long time.
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77 grain and similar also perform better out of a longer barrel. The M16 wasn't cut down to make it better, it was cut down to make it work with modern fighting styles. I.E. MOUT and close urban combat. No point in subguns and rifles, just make a shorter carbine and accept the decrease in performance. Everything is a trade off.
 
SharpBits said:
77 grain and similar also perform better out of a longer barrel. The M16 wasn't cut down to make it better, it was cut down to make it work with modern fighting styles. I.E. MOUT and close urban combat. No point in subguns and rifles, just make a shorter carbine and accept the decrease in performance. Everything is a trade off.
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More maneuverable IS better.

The advantages in terminal ballistics from the longer barrel don’t offset the trade offs seen in actual use.

In addition, the M16’s non-adjustable long LOP isn’t ideal for
1) users with varying arm lengths
2) body armor and plate carriers, which WEREN’T general issue when the M16 was developed and fielded

***3) as mentioned, trench warfare isn’t really the thing it used to be, with a loooong rifle/spear with limited capacity and slow reloads.

Don’t know if anyone’s watched any of the footage that’s come out of the Ukraine conflict, but the trench warfare there entailed being able to maneuver in narrow trenches and either using grenades, or shooting the other guy first (while watching for drones). I don’t think there was a single instance of someone using their carbine with a bayonet, but it was pretty clear that a 4’ rifle would’ve been a hindrance in the narrow trenches they fought in.
 
bluemax_1 said:
More maneuverable IS better.

The advantages in terminal ballistics from the longer barrel don’t offset the trade offs seen in actual use.

In addition, the M16’s non-adjustable long LOP isn’t ideal for
1) users with varying arm lengths
2) body armor and plate carriers, which WEREN’T general issue when the M16 was developed and fielded

***3) as mentioned, trench warfare isn’t really the thing it used to be, with a loooong rifle/spear with limited capacity and slow reloads.

Don’t know if anyone’s watched any of the footage that’s come out of the Ukraine conflict, but the trench warfare there entailed being able to maneuver in narrow trenches and either using grenades, or shooting the other guy first (while watching for drones). I don’t think there was a single instance of someone using their carbine with a bayonet, but it was pretty clear that a 4’ rifle would’ve been a hindrance in the narrow trenches they fought in.
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FWIW, old trenches used to be much wider and more complex. At least in WW1. I don't think either side in the Ukraine expected to be fighting in trenches again.

Adjustable stocks can be added to M-16s, but they won't be since we are not going back to the longer barrel. We are going to chuck it all and go with the new thing that is neither a battle rifle nor a carbine.
 
Fonedork said:
What's better for shooting drones. Shotguns! God damn robots must all die
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The way drone warfare has evolved, is terrifying.

The problem is that even the commercial OTS drones they’ve been using, can easily loiter/hover out of range of any small arms (much less shotguns using even tungsten shot), and by the time the target realizes there’s a drone threat, they’re pretty much screwed.

The kamikaze drones are fast enough that shooting them down is a tall prospect, but even scarier are how they’ve used them to drop home modified ordnance (vids showing how they add home made fins etc.) from high above, where the targets aren’t even aware there’s a drone overhead.

Technological evolution is amazing, but it can also be scary as heck.
 
Murphjd25 said:
Why does everything have to be shipped to you nowadays? What happened to going to the store and getting what you wanted. Ugghhh.
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I personally prefer having stuff show up at my door, vs going and getting it (unless it’s something needed ASAP, or groceries, as I don’t trust some minimum wager to not pick bruised fruit and other crap).

For the companies doing it, it also reduces the need for floor space, and for the drop ship companies, removes the need for standing inventory.
 
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