Random Thought Thread

I never discuss anything for that long a time that I would need to go there. But when one does, one needs to have all one's ducks in a row.
 
Wow. I thought I’d raise some eyebrows, but not this level of fuss.
Benson X said:
Just saw that, too - I like his disclaimer that he "doesn't know the street value of these things".....:confused:
$600 is a little outrageous, BUT he will be deducting $25 per day until it sells. :rolleyes:
I have no doubt it will sell quickly - just not to me...
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Honestly, it’s an experiment. If one of the production run HDFKs sold quickly for $500, what is one of the limited pre-production samples worth? I don’t know, and this seems like the best way to find out.
JustinFournier said:
Here we go again......
I felt bad for the seller. He always tries to make sales but always misses. I considered helping him out but he rarely participates in the forums. There is always someone way more active needing help.
I was actually happy when I saw him win.
Now I see this listing.
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I have *no* idea why you’d feel bad for me. The Friday ‘scrums’ are entertaining, and yes, I’ve missed the cut a few times. Not that it’s limited me - I’ve got a somewhat complete set of Nathan’s knives already, including a shiv and a potato knife that is used daily in the kitchen. I’ve posted a picture of the set a couple times I think. I remember seeing the dagger when it was for sale, wanting it, but not being willing to drop that much coin on something that was purely a collectible.
Yes, I rarely participate in the forum. I’m a lurker. I post when I have something meaningful to add to the conversation. An average of 50 posts a year since I joined shows that I rarely post in *any* of the forums. I do, however, spend an awful lot of time reading. That’s why I’m here – to learn about a hobby that interests me. And I have a job that allows me to sit in front of a computer all day. (I’m not sure if that’s lucky or not since sitting too much will kill you….)
betzner said:
^ And the mods have already removed one long response to the initial opener in that subforum.
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Crap, I missed it. What was the gist? That I’m an [expletive] profiteer that is going to ruin it for everyone?
adamlau said:
What is going on here? I just finished installing a surge suppressor on my coax at the service entrance. Spectrum had to perform a reset to bump me back up to 100 Mbps. Satisfied for the night, I jump on BF and hear grumblings regarding a flipper going for max?
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The only part I take offense to is calling me a flipper. I typically buy *one* when knives are released, and even threw up notice when Nate snuck his single sale out last week. I buy knives that interest me, and sell the least interesting/useful and most valuable when I need the money. Sometimes I make money, and sometimes I lose money. It all goes back into my ‘fun money’ kitty to allow me to continue the hobby. Selling something for the full market value simply enables me to buy more down the road. Right now I’ve bought too many toys, and the kitty is looking pretty thin.
And I *am* a firm believer in capitalism, and the power of a free market to set an appropriate rate. I understand why CPK sets the prices the way they do, and think that they’re right, but it *does* mean that there is a huge unmet demand. Right now there are only a few ways to get a knife: be lucky in the scrum of a Friday sale; have someone like you enough to proxy for you; or get in on a pre-order for the few days that they’re open. None of those help with out-of-production knives though. Or you can buy on the open market. Again, though, knives that are priced close to their issue price are snapped up pretty much instantly. It’s not noble, but by putting a high price on it someone has the chance to see what it’s worth to them.
Lorien said:
the $25 per day value decrease seemed odd to me
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That’s the experiment to find the right price - when a willing seller and a willing buyer meet at the same number. By dropping it a bit each day I’m letting potential buyers figure out what that number is. Won’t be the same for everyone, but then I’m only selling one knife.
 
I'm interested to find out how it works out, kind of a novel concept I haven't seen used in the classifieds forums before
 
Don't have a dog in the fight, but the average posting of 50 per annum really made me laugh at myself. I post at least 50 brainfart posts per diem and mostly utter nonsense. I love it :)
 
Lorien said:
I'm interested to find out how it works out, kind of a novel concept I haven't seen used in the classifieds forums before
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We'll all get to see how it works out - I never edit my sale prices, so it will be up for posterity.
 
on_the_edge said:
Huh??? Please PM me to explain as I have no clue about how I could have gotten an infraction.
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I could be completely wrong, but I suspect Lorien Lorien quoted the wrong thread. I suspect he meant to quote something from Extrabaconplease, who (for a short time) had posted a 'joke' thread, selling a FK for $1,000 - which has now been deleted. I imagine this is what Lorien meant to be referring to. I could be wrong and hopefully he will clarify, because I had the same reaction as you - HUH?
 
AR-Trvlr said:
I have *no* idea why you’d feel bad for me. The Friday ‘scrums’ are entertaining, and yes, I’ve missed the cut a few times.
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Because you've missed the cut off a bunch of times, and I know your an older customer of Nathan's back when knives were much easier to get. I understand some of his older customers lost interest because of the difficulty in getting his knives these days and that's a shame.

But I understand your position now, and had I known it all along, I would also agree there is no reason to feel bad for you.

AR-Trvlr said:
Right now there are only a few ways to get a knife: be lucky in the scrum of a Friday sale; have someone like you enough to proxy for you...
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Many people here get proxies from regular members of the community that don't know them. They are just trying to help. There is no need to attribute it to special privilege that isn't available to most to justify what you are doing. That kind of behaviour is what helps build this community, what helps make this sub great.

What you are doing on the other hand, is what destroys it. It's what makes people jaded and not want to help others because they think, "Why should I help this guy, he will probably just flip it instead of passing it forward." As that grows, it becomes "Well I'll just get it for my friends, and if no one wants it I'll flip it." Then there is tons of flipping. Then it's the Busse sub.

But hey, hide behind "capitalism" all you want if it's what makes you feel better. Not a single word you used to justify your behaviour about your knife budget doesn't apply to 99% of the people in here who chose to sell at or near cost. It's just that they chose to contribute to the community and you chose to draw from it.

I'm not saying any of this to put you down. I respect your property rights. You do whatever you want with whatever you own so long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else not consenting.
 
JustinFournier said:
What you are doing on the other hand, is what destroys it. It's what makes people jaded and not want to help others because they think, "Why should I help this guy, he will probably just flip it instead of passing it forward." As that grows, it becomes "Well I'll just get it for my friends, and if no one wants it I'll flip it." Then there is tons of flipping. Then it's the Busse sub.
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And I guess that's where we differ, for a number of reasons:
* As CPK ramps up their production capabilities to match demand the small/intimate community will be lost. The ratio of casual users to diehards will change. Cliques will form. That's the nature of growing communities.
* Also as CPK ramps up their production capabilities to match demand the opportunities for flipping will diminish.
* I think the community you have now is stronger than what a few flippers can damage.
* I think the Busse sub is a reflection of Jerry Busse, the image that he puts out there, and the behavior he fuels. It's completely different over here.
* Busse Knives encourages flipping and speculation through limiting their production, limiting the production of each pattern, and how he sells his knives.

YMMV
 
AR-Trvlr said:
And I guess that's where we differ, for a number of reasons:
* As CPK ramps up their production capabilities to match demand the small/intimate community will be lost. The ratio of casual users to diehards will change. Cliques will form. That's the nature of growing communities.
* Also as CPK ramps up their production capabilities to match demand the opportunities for flipping will diminish.
* I think the community you have now is stronger than what a few flippers can damage.
* I think the Busse sub is a reflection of Jerry Busse, the image that he puts out there, and the behavior he fuels. It's completely different over here.
* Busse Knives encourages flipping and speculation through limiting their production, limiting the production of each pattern, and how he sells his knives.

YMMV
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Could be! Only time will tell.
 
TRfromMT said:
I could be completely wrong, but I suspect Lorien Lorien quoted the wrong thread. I suspect he meant to quote something from Extrabaconplease, who (for a short time) had posted a 'joke' thread, selling a FK for $1,000 - which has now been deleted. I imagine this is what Lorien meant to be referring to. I could be wrong and hopefully he will clarify, because I had the same reaction as you - HUH?
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that's absolutely correct. My apologies to on_the_edge for the lack of clarity
 
Casinostocks said:
I would've added the price ($1000) is strictly for partial use, i.e, Mondays, Thursday and only one weekend day of the seller's own choice. Full use price: $2500 :D
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Not a bad idea. Some sort of timer would have to be installed on a locking sheath to prevent cheating. Maybe a chastity belt.*


*Can I mention chastity here?
 
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