Ranger T-series +P+ 9mm ammunition

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I've heard that this is the best defensive ammunition available for 9mms.

I've also heard that it can destroy some handguns and carbines as it is significantly overpressure.

Does anyone have any experience with this cartridge, and could I get some feedback on which handguns and carbines will handle it without issue, which are safe to use in limited amounts, and which should never be loaded with overpressure ammo?

I know that it would be a bad idea to run it in an antique, so I'm not going to do that.

Thanks.
 
There's 9mm, 9mm+P and 9mm+P+ . Find out from the manufacturer which ammo the gun is designed for .About the best standard pressure ammo is the federal 115 JHP [9BP].It's also important to pick ammo that functions reliably.
 
I've heard that this is the best defensive ammunition available for 9mms.

Debateable, I prefer Federal HST and then Gold Dots before the rangers.

I've also heard that it can destroy some handguns and carbines as it is significantly overpressure.

High pressure and overpressure are two different things. No ammo company is gonna sell overpressured ammo. It will be in +P+ spec. Any modern firearm should handle it. (with the exception of Kel-Tecs and little polymer pocket guns). I know my Kahr MK9 will handle it fine. But it's all steel. If your firearm was made pre 1975 contact the manufacturer. But about the only thing I wouldn't feed it through often is a Kel-Tec.
 
while some of the ranger is +P and even +P+ not all are, the 9MM 147gr are std pressure IIRC, i dont think the 357SIG are +P+ or +P either, they do make a +P .45ACP & a std pressure also..

i have used a lot of it, in 9MM, .357SIG and .45ACP, in kahrs (K9, P9 & PM9), glocks (27, 27, 19, 32C & 33), SIG's (P220, 225 & 228) and kimber and ive never had any problems, none at all.

as far as if its the best, i dont know, for sure anyway, i know that i dont think anything is much better than the ranger, some might be equal but i dont know about better, its good stuff imho, the gold dot, golden sabre and HST is good too though, but better? i dont know about that, personally, i like the rangers best, the TX DPS and TX rangers issue it which is good enough for me, lots of other large departments do too ( and yes price can be a factor with who uses what, imho thats not as true with some folks, the tx rangers being one, maybe they just like the name lol?) and its got a good rep with the LEO community, i have yet to hear bad about it anyway and i know a few cops, is it the best? i would say one of the best for sure.

imho it would be just fine in most any modern, high quality firearm as long as the maker doesnt say "dont use +P+ or +P ammo in this", kahr, for one, says +P or +P+ ammo is fine in there pistols(even the "little pocket poly pistols" ie the P9/ PM9), same with glock and SIG, of course i wouldnt use it in my WW2 walther P38 or luger though, or any other old pistol, or any pistol which isnt meant for ammo like that, browning high powers comes to mind, along with others, recoil is of course greater with the smaller pistols, which is why i carry std pressure ranger 147gr in my PM9, but go with the 127gr +P+ in everything else, the +P+ is a little snappy in the PM9, and follow ups are faster with the 147gr, its not that i dont think the PM9 would stand up to the +P+ loads, i have put a few thru it with out a problem.

as far as 9BP 115gr federal, sure it was "ok" in its day, but remember thats a 25+ year old design, ammo technology has come a long ways in the last 10 yrs much less the last 25 its a long country mile from being a top contender nowadays, massad ayoob used to like it( but even he preffered the 115 +P+ "back in the day" and it really doesnt have sufficient penetration, but thats another subject) but i dont think ya can compare it to some of the modern std pressure loads ie speer 124gr and 147gr and ranger 147gr, the new designs just work better than the old stuff, new designs are why federal is doing away with the hydrashok to go with the HST, hydrashok is also getting old and the HST works better, and even the hydra's were supposedly better than std JHP loads.

as far as wear, sure a +P or +P+ is gonna wear faster than a std pressure load, but with modern stuff ya are talking 10s of thousands of rounds before it becomes a problem, most folks practice with ball and carry the +P anyway, and lotsa folks might not put 10K rounds thru something in a lifetime, i have yet to actually wear a pistol out lol, with a modern design i just dont sweat it.

the new designs are also designed with reliable functioning in mind, i have yet to find something which doesnt feed well with the rangers, or gold dots/golden sabres lol, i have had a few pistols which were balky with some of the old JHP designs, the new stuff functions better thats a fact.


edited to add: i am not in any way employed by or connected with the winchester -western ctge co. lol.
 
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i shoot +P+ in all my Glocks and have for years with no ill effects, including the baby G26
 
some might be equal but i dont know about better, its good stuff imho, the gold dot, golden sabre and HST is good too though, but better? i dont know about that

The reason I personally rank the HST above the Ranger is because in any and all testing data I can find on them, the HST consistantly expands larger. The 45ACP HST can expand to over .90" on a consistant basis. Memory fails me but the ranger was somewhere in the .75 to .85 range. I like bigger holes. The reason I prefer Gold Dots is that every recovered Gold Dot looks the same. That is some consistanly mushrooming ammo. Doesn't get as big as the HST, but it always performs. I wouldn't say it's better than the rangers. I just prefer it to them. I've never paid much attention to what cops carry. Often it's a cost decision and performance isn't the number 1 factor. Not saying the rangers don't perform. Just that a departments ammo selection isn't always gonna give you a hint as to what performs the best.
 
I have just been a believer in the Talon design. Even though some rounds make bigger holes those razor sharp edges of the talon petals ensure that the fight won't last long. Every movement the bad guy makes only exacerbates the wound. I carry the same round in 45acp (230 +p, moves at 990fps)
 
115g does not penetrate enough to meet FBI standards thus you should not be carrying it. period.
practice all day with standard pressure ammo, carry whatever you want in a modern, fully functional firearm.

I also prefer speer gold dots to rangers. Bonded ammo is my key tho so to each his own.
 
115g . . . you should not be carrying it. period.

I dare you to shoot yourself in the stomach with 115gr - lets say 3 times - and then get back to us on that one.

Ok, I don't really dare you. :) But there is no evidence to support the conclusion that the 115gr 9mm is so impotent that it should never be carried. Many bad guys have had their behavior changed, or their lives ended, with "lesser" calibers. Is there something better than 115gr? Maybe. But impotent it is not.

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I have some 127gr +P+ sxt's and I called Taurus before I put them through my gun, they said +p was ok but not +p+ I really wanted to carry these, ah well
 
I also prefer speer gold dots to rangers. Bonded ammo is my key tho so to each his own.

The only jams I ever had in my Colt OM was with Speer Gold Dot ammunition. Had several failures to feed. Every other type of ammo functioned flawlessly, but it would occasionally choke on a Gold Dot.
 
I've shot thousands and thousands of Ranger +P+ through glocks with no issues whatsoever.

I'm not really a ballistic guy, though. I know nothing about all that stuff--I just shoot them.
 
I have some 127gr +P+ sxt's and I called Taurus before I put them through my gun, they said +p was ok but not +p+ I really wanted to carry these, ah well

There is an industry pressure spec (numerical value) for +P, but not one for +P+ in various calibers. I doubt that any handgun manufacturer will state that using +P+ ammo in their firearm is OK since there is no numeric specification for +P+.

However, there are lots of folks, including me, who have fired plenty of +P+ ammo in modern, well constructed pistols. I would not use +P+ ammo in a small, light pistol or an older pistol.
 
I have shot about 3 or 4 hundred rounds of the 127+p+ ammo through my three Browning Hi-Powers and haven't had any problems.

However, I was reading on, I believe, the Glock Talk or Glockpost forum the other night and someone stated the +p+ ammo was at 42,000psi which was higher than the +p by about 5,000 psi. It appeared they took the figures from an official Winchester web page.
Anyway, after testing the 124+p and the 127+p+ on some wet phone books, I think I am going to try to get the 124+P from now on.

Also, I have shot probably 10-15 jackrabbits with the 127+p+ and even on a lightweight animal they have always shown signs of good expansion (big entrance and exit holes).

Another thing I like about this ammo is that the gunstore I buy it from has it in the 50 round boxes for less than $30. When I first started buying it, it was just over $20 a box of fifty. Patrick

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Alternatively, you could switch to a .40 caliber if you are looking for more "potency". Some companies offer drop-in barrels for modification to a different caliber, but not sure about 9mm. to 40.

The 2 main reasons FBI switched from 9mm to .40 caliber:

1. If a big, drug-crazed perp is coming at you with a gun in his hand, you could hit him with 9mm's and he could still get a shot off at you. With .40, that shouldn't happen. The .40 should drop him on the spot, backwards not allowing a shot.

2. .40 caliber can shoot through cars.

Not trying to start yet another .40 versus 9 mm debate, but someone mentioned FBI, and those are couple of reasons why bureau switched over.

Personally I like both rounds.
 

I wonder if that's before the .40 shoots through the car or after?

You should be totally safe shooting the 127gr. +P+ occasionally through your modern pistols. If you want a round that seems to perform similarly but with less pressure try to find the 124gr +P Gold Dot which seems easier to find in my area at least.
 
2. .40 caliber can shoot through cars.

9mm FMJ penetrates so well it is considered hazardous to others to use it for self defense. Most jacketed bullets will penetrate a car door. Doors are mostly sheet metal and upholstery with a few steel bars inside.
 
The one that expands after penetrating a car door is Corbon DPX , others won't do it !
 
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