Rangers Do Lead The Way

Originally posted by BlueFlintHawk
I was decided when I found out Marines are more often loaned to the UN and given rubber bullets... I feel bad for the Marines, no service man should be stuck under UN command!!!
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When the hell did this happen? How often and what is so scary about the UN?

Oh, and as a Marine; we don't "do" blue berets.
 
Marines getting loaned to the UN happened quite a bit during the Clinton administration; and YES, they did have to wear blue UN berets. What is so scary about the UN!? How about horrible tree hugging missions, a muddled command, rubber bullets, no backup for hours if something goes wrong and working under the command of someone not from your country? That seems pretty scary to me.

(Edit) Don't misunderstand - I love the Marines. Just ask Ollie what is wrong with the UN; god knows he can't stand the UN either.
 
Rob is right about our military being "loaned" to the UN forces and being forced to report to UN commanders. Also, they're NOT allowed to wear the American Flag on their UN uniforms and they're not allowed to wear unit patches. They wear UN uniforms and blue berets and can NOT wear US BDU's.
 
Originally posted by NorthStarXO
they're NOT allowed to wear the American Flag on their UN uniforms
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Damn Socialist:mad:
and they're not allowed to wear unit patches.
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The US Marine Corps does not allow unit patches for "camies." We are ALL Marines. That is what counts. The Army has unit patches for "BDU's."

So I assume, that the Army is not immune from UN Duty either. Hey Blue, let me play devil's advocate here a minute. Wouldn't it SUCK if a week before you made it into the Rangers, your infanty unit was sent overseas by for a UN "peace keeping" mission! When you finally return after 90 days (minimum), the Rangers tell you: "Sorry, no more openings. Try again next year!"

The military does not care about "almost's" or "about-to-be's." Until the CO signs; it's NOT offical! If your unit is called a minute before the John Hancock, you go with your OLD unit. Of course, most CO's sign anyway and you can tranfer but they can only cut you so much slack. A day or two difference? Not Problem! A week? You better have one hell of a First Sgt pulling for you!
 
I am enlisting with a Ranger Contract which means I basically go from Basic to AIT to Jump School to Ranger Indoctrination. I won't have an old unit. I will be fresh out of training when I get into the Rangers and will make sure it is in my contract. Every branch has had some UN duties... however, the Marines have got it a hell of a lot more than anyone else; and the Marines aren't special ops so they get the bum "missions" with the UN. Plenty more Marines go under UN command than any other military branch. When the Rangers do UN missions they usually stay under US command when Marines more often do not.

P.S. It seems I am being a bit misunderstood; I will say again I LOVE THE MARINES. However, as far as my military career goes, I thoroughly researched all branches and decided going for the Army Rangers would be best for me. I'm not saying its better, period. I'm saying the Marines more often get a bum deal and that sucks like hell. We should loan NO troops to the UN. Let the O so wonderful French soldiers handle it. All service men kick ass and I respect them all. :)
 
Blueflint,

Have you signed a contract?

I suggest your opinion about our world and our military's place in it will change once you become a part of it while in the military.

If 5% of the US is gay, then 5% of the military is gay.
If 4% of the US has HIV, then 4% of the military has HIV.
if 3% of the US are racial bigots, then 3% of the military are racial bigots.
If 2% of the US are atheists, then 2% of the military are atheists.
If 1% of the US are drug addicts, then 1% of the military are drug addicts.

All military members were first civilians...

There may be a chance that your very survival will depend on a gay, racial bigot atheist, who has HIV from drug usage no matter what service is involved.
 
When did I ever diss gays, bigots, drug users, athiests and HIV positive guys? I don't think I did. I said I don't think servicemen should flaunt their gayness if they are gay. That doesn't mean I am prejudice against them. I've talked to a lot of guys in the military and know some personally... many of them share my views. Yes, things change... we'll see - but I never dissed anyone.

Should I shake the target on my ass some more? :D
 
Oh God...how did I miss this nonsense for so long... :rolleyes: Hmm...I have had a few Ranger buds...in fact, the new ojt CID agent in my section was a former Ranger, then became a "double buble" Force Recon Marine. I love my Corps...but I respect all elite units. If anyone really wants to take this further and settle it however, I invite you to the ring...email me and I'll tell you where to meet me... ;) :cool:

"Americans Lead the Way!" (Be they Jarheads, Squids, Flyboys, or Rangers...)
 
Rob, this post stopped being a "my service is better than yours!" on the first day. What we whom have "been there, done that" are trying to do is tell you that the military is not all that it is cracked up to be. Murphy was a grunt, if it can go wrong it will. Nothing every works right the first time, unless it is to your displeasure, etc, etc... I've known too many people who thought they were going to be RAMBO by signing up. As recruits they broke down crying "why is the DI picking on me?" Mean while the rest of us, whom are doing push-ups on rambo's (lower case) behalf, just what to slap him and say "Shut up pussy!" Then there were people like me you wanted to be Knights of the Round Table. Well, we are mere cogs in THEIR machine and I don't even know who THEY are! Worse, because 10% of us are lying, thieving, cutthroats who don't know how to drink responsibly OR control their emotions, the brass can't afford to trust ANY of us. I cannot have a knife bigger than 3" in the barracks. Why? Because some idiot got drunk and went after his roommate with a chef knife! It may have been 50 years ago but they made damn sure it won't happen again tomorrow!

On the topic of idiots; you do not get punished for what you do wrong. You, and your "team," (squad, W/C, etc) get punished for the mistakes of the one moron you thought he was above the rules. BTW, you can't do the old school "take him out back" routine anymore. It is called hazing and, again, because some people took it to far, no one is aloud to do it any more.

And before some barracks lawyer tells you otherwise, your rights aren't yours anymore. Amendment #5, gone. That's it, just plain gone. #2, when and if they let you, you have to! The other rights are changed too, but I can't remember them off the top of my head right now. Most of it makes since; #1 is restricted when it comes to secrets, etc. In the history books they (used to) discuss something called an "indentured servant." Look it up. When you swear in, that is what you become. Your life belongs to Uncle Sam.

You don't join up to live the American dream. You sign up to SERVE. Your life is now about the lives of a quarter billion US citizens. Also, don't sign up thinking you can get away from idiots. Everyone in the service chose to be here, but some had more choices than others. Recruiters are desperate for numbers and the dumb ones are easy marks. Hence, the military can seem like moron central USA at times.

BTW, I LOVE the Marine Corps! But after the above I can't remember why, I just know, and feel, I do. Reflecting back (this is slightly off topic but makes a point), I had some crap assignments, but I loved them because I was with good crews. Good people make the difference. And like any thing else in life: it is 10% what happens to you, 90% what you do about it.
This is long enough, so I'll stop here, for now.

Edit to add: Patte Gauche brought that stuff up to highlight that fact that you can't expect what you will find in the service.
 
I never planned on it being glamorous. I know I will be treated like ****... but ya know, some people like that kind of thing for some reason; the military life. Thanks for the lecture :D
 
...just logging a request that this thread not cascade into something it wasn't intended...even though it did get off topic somewhat immediately! You guys know what I mean... :D

If people need to sort some things out on private e-mail, please feel free to do so if the user profile supports address sharing. Most folks here are quite open.

Thanks....hope to see some of you at Blade Show!!!
 
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