Ranking of Steels in Categories based on Edge Retention cutting 5/8" rope

Truth to be told s125v can actually be brought to 64-65 but little knife usage could be seen at this hardness.
Phil stopped before, which it is a lot of good sense if I'm allowed to say (even more at such behind the edge values).
What should be observed IMHO instead, is that S110V will never approach S125V edge holding. 10V will get pretty near, albeit with a very limited stain resistance.
Apples against oranges mate...as always [emoji57]
 
Surfingringo said:
Hey Jim, a question about the s125v. Per our pm conversation it seems like that one might have lost some of its initial sharpness a bit quicker than the 10v but then held that mid level sharpness for longer than you expected? So it sounded like they ended up at about the same level after 2500 cuts but sharpness falloff followed a different curve for the two steels. Does that sound right or am I reading more into it than i should?
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Yeah that's pretty much what happened, more like it lost that screaming edge fast then held a really sharp edge for a very long time, then VERY, VERY slowly started to lose more sharpness.
 
daberti said:
Truth to be told s125v can actually be brought to 64-65 but little knife usage could be seen at this hardness.
Phil stopped before, which it is a lot of good sense if I'm allowed to say (even more at such behind the edge values).
What should be observed IMHO instead, is that S110V will never approach S125V edge holding. 10V will get pretty near, albeit with a very limited stain resistance.
Apples against oranges mate...as always [emoji57]
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Yes it is very stable, I saw no issues even on wood snapping the edge out sideways so I expect to see a lot of use for a VERY long time out of this one. :thumbup:

I think Phil got everything he could possibly get out of the steel. :)

Don't even want to think about how much cardboard this knife could cut before getting dull, I would say an insane amount.

I will say this about the 2 knives at the top of the list.

They are not what one would normally expect to see, both have extremely thin geometry, both spine thickness and behind the edge thickness and maxxed out hardness wise of actual usable hardness in the steels that were used, CPM S125V and CPM 10V.

Both are a tribute to Phil Wilson and what can be done with his extreme knowledge and expertise.
 
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Ankerson said:
Yes it is very stable, I saw no issues even on wood snapping the edge out sideways so I expect to see a lot of use for a VERY long time out of this one. :thumbup:

I think Phil got everything he could possibly get out of the steel. :)

Don't even want to think about how much cardboard this knife could cut before getting dull, I would say an insane amount.

I will say this about the 2 knives at the top of the list.

They are not what one would normally expect to see, both have extremely thin geometry, both spine thickness and behind the edge thickness and maxxed out hardness wise of actual usable hardness in the steels that were used, CPM S125V and CPM 10V.

Both are a tribute to Phil Wilson and what can be done with his extreme knowledge and expertise.
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Ditto :thumbup:
 
Ankerson said:
Added Phil Wilson CPM S125V Bow River - 62.5 RC - .006" behind the edge.

BESS

66 Ave Start
621 Ave finish

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Nice bow river pattern of Phil's in S125V Jim !
 
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waterstoneblades said:
Nice bow river pattern of Phil's in S110V, Jim ! I have a model of his on S110V @ 63 HRC I want to test more among others. Just need more time. Phil has been working with S110V for a while and has the equipment and knowledge to HT it correctly.
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Thanks. :)

It's not S110V though, it's S125V. :D

I have tested Phil's S110V before and he does an excellent job with it, I have one that I use in the kitchen.
 
darrin sanders said:
This one is not 110V its 125V.
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Wow Darrin, I have seen you on here for a long time but have never looked at your sig. Pollock?? My mom was from Tioga and much of my family is still there. I'm sure you know some of them. :)

Sorry for going way off topic but hey, not everyone knows where Pollock is! haha
 
Surfingringo said:
Wow Darrin, I have seen you on here for a long time but have never looked at your sig. Pollock?? My mom was from Tioga and much of my family is still there. I'm sure you know some of them. :)

Sorry for going way off topic but hey, not everyone knows where Pollock is! haha
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Like they say, its a small world. LOL You're right, you pretty much have to be from the area to know where Pollock is. Most of the people who contact me about knives and heat treating pronounce it "Poe-lock" LOL. I'm sure I know some of your relatives. If you ever get back to the area, you're more than welcome to stop by for a visit.
 
You can pretty much count on it. I am going to visit in August and will probably be heading to Tioga to see some relatives. I will definitely contact you and stop by for a look at your shop if I pass by that way. Thanks for the offer.
 
I bet the hand finish blade wasn't easy to achieve on S125V. A coupe passes with SIC wet/dry paper and it would start to skate on that I'm sure :)
 
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