Rare knives...

Jack Black said:
It was popular historically in England, and in France too I believe. In the days when steel was softer, and knives were used more, wear was more of a consideration. The friction between the blade and tang and spring causes wear, and the point of the knife consequently rises in the frame. With this sort of frame, more cover is given to the point of the knife.

In the case of this old Abram Brooksbank, the point of the blade isn't exposed because of wear, but because it was modded from its original form as a Lambsfoot :thumbsup:

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Thank you for the info! Sounds like a simple and logical solution. I always thought that gunstock in its various forms is a relatively new pattern - 19th century that is - and never seen any older examples. Do you happen to have any?
 
About the Gunstock pattern and in particular, SteveC SteveC oldster from Butler. It's perhaps significant that a lot of c18th & c19th table ware knives had what was termed Pistol grip handles on them, curving downwards in the fashion of the ancient flintlock pistols. Allegedly, this was due to ergonomics in the hand but suspect aesthetics had as much to do with it, it remains a popular style in canteens of expensive cutlery.

Levine (1985) Has a section on the American Gunstock pattern p.122-3 he asserts that it is a smaller type of jack with Pen secondary and is relatively rare, popular among collectors and is a late c19th early c20th shape corresponding to a rifle. Interestingly, he says the first pocket knife shape to be called Gunstock was a French c18th version see p.272-3 under Foreign Exotic, Primitive and Historical Folding Knives. Figure 29 Couteau à la Charloise or Couteau à crosse. 'Crosse' meaning gunstock because of the roundness of the handle- in this case looking very similar to the Pistol grip knives.
 
Will Power said:
About the Gunstock pattern and in particular, SteveC SteveC oldster from Butler. It's perhaps significant that a lot of c18th & c19th table ware knives had what was termed Pistol grip handles on them, curving downwards in the fashion of the ancient flintlock pistols. Allegedly, this was due to ergonomics in the hand but suspect aesthetics had as much to do with it, it remains a popular style in canteens of expensive cutlery.

Levine (1985) Has a section on the American Gunstock pattern p.122-3 he asserts that it is a smaller type of jack with Pen secondary and is relatively rare, popular among collectors and is a late c19th early c20th shape corresponding to a rifle. Interestingly, he says the first pocket knife shape to be called Gunstock was a French c18th version see p.272-3 under Foreign Exotic, Primitive and Historical Folding Knives. Figure 29 Couteau à la Charloise or Couteau à crosse. 'Crosse' meaning gunstock because of the roundness of the handle- in this case looking very similar to the Pistol grip knives.
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Thanks for the info Will 👍
 
Alex.Y. said:
Thank you for the info! Sounds like a simple and logical solution. I always thought that gunstock in its various forms is a relatively new pattern - 19th century that is - and never seen any older examples. Do you happen to have any?
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I think you're right Alex, as a pattern, but that form of pistolgrip frame goes back earlier. Here's a few examples from 'Smith's Key' from 1830. I particularly like the Barlows :) :thumbsup:

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You don't see something like this too often!! I call it a Sleeveboard Crown, Double-end Jack!!! It has Pressed "Stag" handles, and is 4" long!!!John Petty n Sons 1.jpgJohn Petty n Sons 2.jpg

The tang reads (arched) John Petty & Sons (over) a barrel logo (over) Sheffield!!! The secondary is a small spay-like blade!!
 
waynorth said:
You don't see something like this too often!! I call it a Sleeveboard Crown, Double-end Jack!!! It has Pressed "Stag" handles, and is 4" long!!!View attachment 3137407View attachment 3137408

The tang reads (arched) John Petty & Sons (over) a barrel logo (over) Sheffield!!! The secondary is a small spay-like blade!!
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Big one! Say, "pressed stag" means plastic? Or a kind of sophisticated jigging method? I mean, is it literally pressed?..
 
Alex.Y. said:
Big one! Say, "pressed stag" means plastic? Or a kind of sophisticated jigging method? I mean, is it literally pressed?..
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Good question!! Featureless antler, horn or bone, was softened, and squeezed into steel forms, to give a texture similar to nicely textured Stag!!!
I have never been clear on which basic material was used, except it was a natural material!! It has been discussed many times on BF in the past, but never cleared up definitively, IMO!!!! Opinions are of course, Welcome!!
 
waynorth said:
Good question!! Featureless antler, horn or bone, was softened, and squeezed into steel forms, to give a texture similar to nicely textured Stag!!!
I have never been clear on which basic material was used, except it was a natural material!! It has been discussed many times on BF in the past, but never cleared up definitively, IMO!!!! Opinions are of course, Welcome!!
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From the look of your example I'd say either stag or bone, but! you never know how, say, bull horn would look after being processed to a softwr state. Probably soaking in some mixture involved there... I guess one way to know is to do a lab test on a small fragment.

Or 🪚.
Joking!!!
 
Alex.Y. said:
From the look of your example I'd say either stag or bone, but! you never know how, say, bull horn would look after being processed to a softwr state. Probably soaking in some mixture involved there... I guess one way to know is to do a lab test on a small fragment.

Or 🪚.
Joking!!!
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Under magnification it is both porous in some area suggesting bone, and fibrous suggesting horn??????? I'm no expert!!
 
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