RAT Pro Survival / E&E Pocket Kits

Don Rearic said:
Just exactly how much interest do you think there would be in a "Nuts & Bolts" E & E booklet on how to get out of handcuffs and a few other restraints as well as lockpicking under emergency/adverse conditions?
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You'ver certainly got my attention.:thumbup:
 
It's definitely something I would self-publish, I don't think Peder Lund needs another mansion overseas. 8-)

I have been experimenting with various little prybars from one of our favorite suppliers of good stuff, CountyComm. There is a possibility that with the BCB Wire Saw and one of those pry bars, you could get out of some rather unsavory situations. Picking and shimming handcuffs and other locking devices, including Flexi-Cuffs, I know how to do. I have been teetering on the see-saw over this for months now because of the law enforcement angle. Any honest police officer knows this information is already known by the criminal and terrorist elements in the world. Yet, once in a while, you do hear about someone being locked up in handcuffs, those restraints being used in an illegal manner for kidnapping, etc. Ted Bundy used them, he is only one. So, there is a legitimacy, in my view, for regular honest Citizens to know how to do certain things and to have some forbidden knowledge.

I am seriously thinking that a 100 page book, minimum, could be written without going over everything else that has been written about lockpicking and escapology...
 
Do the Book and I will buy it, Thats what we need is more info on the E&E Side, we can get the Survival Info but unless you're SF you just won't get that good Secret Training like how to get out of Hand Cuffs or break out of a Jail Cell.


RickJ
 
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Don Rearic said:
It's definitely something I would self-publish, I don't think Peder Lund needs another mansion overseas. 8-)

I have been experimenting with various little prybars from one of our favorite suppliers of good stuff, CountyComm. There is a possibility that with the BCB Wire Saw and one of those pry bars, you could get out of some rather unsavory situations. Picking and shimming handcuffs and other locking devices, including Flexi-Cuffs, I know how to do. I have been teetering on the see-saw over this for months now because of the law enforcement angle. Any honest police officer knows this information is already known by the criminal and terrorist elements in the world. Yet, once in a while, you do hear about someone being locked up in handcuffs, those restraints being used in an illegal manner for kidnapping, etc. Ted Bundy used them, he is only one. So, there is a legitimacy, in my view, for regular honest Citizens to know how to do certain things and to have some forbidden knowledge.

I am seriously thinking that a 100 page book, minimum, could be written without going over everything else that has been written about lockpicking and escapology...
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You know my thoughts, Brother, go for it.

Is it done yet?:D
 
RickJ said:
Do the Book and I will buy it, Thats what we need is more info on the E&E Side, we can get the Survival Info but unless you're SF you just won't get that good Secret Training like how to get out of Hand Cuffs or break out of a Jail Cell.


RickJ
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It's funny how age-old stuff can become classified just because the military embraces it.

The beauty of the material I am thinking about is, it's really not a threat to American Law Enforcement for two basic reasons:

1. Modern Detention Centers and Prisons - you're not going to get out of them. The days of an accused murderer like Ted Bundy being held in a jail cell with the Jailer living next door and Bundy being able to remove a light fixture in the ceiling and then being able to gain access to a common attic are basically over. Although former Navy SEAL Benjamin Sifrit did escape from a cell while in custody, the rest of his escape from the detention area was unsuccessful. That leaves transport. Former Delta Trooper Marshal Brown escaped during transport and was captured a short time later. That leads us to reason two...

2. If American Law Enforcement follows proper procedures, they are not going to have a problem with the vast majority of people, period.

In other countries, you might just be able to pull off miraculous things because the level of equipment combined with professionalism in procedures is absent.
 
Don yes you are correct, and I should have been more clear I too understand that a modern facility escape would be next to immposible but if you are in a 3rd world Country who may say put you in a room with an old padlock on an old chain, some knowledge on lock picking and escape may help out. I could tell you a good story about Iraq and how back in 2003 we were not prepared in the AO I was in for detainee's and some 3rd world countrys most likely would be in the same boat, One of the big issues would be having escape tools hidden on your person and then hope their search does not find them and then hope that you keep your clothes because some places may have you put on the Orange suit so to speak.

RickJ
 
Rick,

I was not firing on your idea, just to say that around here, it's basically a washout now. Anyone that wants to escape custody here is basically going to have to do it during transport to and from court or outside medical facilities or during transport between corrections facilities, etc.

Various Special Operations Units have access to jail cells, hell, for years Delta was IN the Stockade at Fort Bragg, talk about daily practice if you wanted it!

I know what you are saying and I agree with you, when you get to areas where professionalism and gear are more lax and the facilities used to hold/house people get more rickety, you can do wonderful things!

My interest in this sort of thing is, what if you are sitting in some restaurant down south or something and you just get scooped up because of mistaken identity or some type of extortion-meets-pseudo-kidnapping-ransom scam or whatever. What if you are innocent and you get accused of something? Some people will no doubt parrot conventional wisdom - "Flight equals guilt" without paying the proper due to, "Staying equals being totally screwed for nothing."

How dedicated people are to their own personal safety when out of the country is the question, I mean, without being a perv or being nasty, you can end up sticking things up your ass for safe storage if you want to go that far. Personally...uh...I ain't doing that! But I have a lot of information about it!

Here, go be fascinated by storytime and make sure you click on the link to "Plan d'Evasion" inside the article and read that as well.

http://www.donrearic.com/charriere.html
 
Good reading and very Hard Core stuff there, I think I will stay away from shoving capsules up my Ass! but yes people do it. I had some Criminal Justice classes and in one of them we went to both a Maximum and Medium State Prison, The Prisoners in the Max told us a story of a famous Prisoner and some of his buds getting small handguns and shoving them up their Ass and one of them was actually used in a Prison Murder, now again this came from Prisoners and they may have been pulling our legs a bit but the story was told.

RickJ
 
Rick,

Did you read the Plan article within the article about Henri? I even found some article on application of rectal pain killers to prisoners about to be taken to surgery and how they find gear jinked up their ass!

I ain't stuffing anything in there. It's cool to research though! I guess if I lived in such a hostile environment, I might very well do it. As it stands now, no jokes from "TJT," NO! :D
 
Does anyone have a XL Pic of the Kit that is clear? The Pic on the Website is small, I want to get a better look at the items in the Kit.

thanks,
RickJ
 
I'm going to give it a go. I just hope you guys don't end up like I did one night years ago. Wife frantically looking for car keys and begging me to go to the hospital because my thumbs were turning purple. 8-)

I had locked myself in a pair of handcuffs and a pair of thumbcuffs. The goal? Get out of them with a single shim. When you shim a cuff, you have to push in on the bow a bit...uh, I pushed in on both bows on the thumbcuffs and just tightened them. :D I did it once more and then the sweat started.

I just told her to get me a paperclip, she found one, too thick. :rolleyes:

I found a thin one and picked the thumbcuffs open with the paperclip in my teeth. When you are in thumbcuffs that are locked in so you cannot slip them, you are basically a raccoon. You have to use your fingertips with no thumb action, so it's a bit difficult.

I think that was about three or four years ago, I think Terry remembers The Great Thumbcuff Caper. 8-)

SO...if the book gets written and you guys buy the book, you are going to have to buy a standard pair of Smith & Wesson handcuffs and have some fun, make sure your wife is home and make sure you get some Jenny Craig thing going on if you are going to get the wifey to lock you up behind your back or learn to pick them blind.

Once you pick something once, you will generally find that you have another addiction to go along with the whole gun, knife and gear buying: collecting locks and cuffs.
 
My thoughts on this are pretty simple: we thought about the possible implications of bad guys getting one of our kits and using it to do harm. Thought about it for about 15 seconds and decided to build our kits anyway. First of all, we're not putting lock picks in simply due to the way various states have their laws set up. Second, if the bad guy wants to do something, then the common tools found in our kit are old-school craft to them. Third, most of our kits go to the overseas market to good guys (meaning American operators, LE, etc) and they're looking for a small kit that they can use to survive should they have to ditch in a remote area, vehicle/ taxi breaks down outside of comms capability, etc. There is more that could be added to the kit and that will depend on the user and his/her AO.
 
Don I'd be in for the book as well.

RAT any idea when these will be available? I checked on the sites listed and don't see any mention as yet.
 
I'm thinking they will start shipping in a couple of weeks to dealer / distributors.
 
If one wanted to practice a little emergency lock picking, what would be a good beginner set up when it comes to tools? Anything that we could fit into the E&E kit on our own?
 
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