Okay guys. I had this thing forever. Sorry about that. I got to use the system, and had pretty good results. My results were actually pretty comparable to what I get with my Lansky system. Sharp enought to cut very well, sharp enought to scrape some hair off of my arm, but not sharp enough to easily shave with. I may not have been patient enough when grinding the relief that he talks about, so this may explain my inability to get that hair popping edge. The knife that I sharpened with this system was a River Rat knife by Larry Ramey. It is ATS-34. I could almost shave with it before I started to shrpen it. When I was done, it shaves(or scrapes) hair about the same, but it seems to cut(at least cardboard) much more aggressively. The edge bevel is definitely more acute, so this may be the reason. I think this system definitely has promise. I think with more time to use it I could get a lot better results than what I got this time. I just kept running into things that didn't allow me time to use it. I hope someone with a little more sharpening experience uses this and can give a review from a more experienced stand point. Anyway, I may have to invest in this system. I do think that it works, and the trouble I had was probably caused by operator error. Thanks, pahl, for letting me in on this pass-around and thanks for being patient with me everyone. Evolute, the system is in the mail as we speak.